Chicken Drumstick Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Anyone running a HD clutch in a 200Tdi? Been having some clutch slipping issues, changed the entire clutch a few years back, but the release bearing has failed (just pulled the engine this morning). So looking for suggestions. Have seen this: https://lofclutches.com/shop/clutches/clutch-kits/powerspec-tdi-200-300tdi-bundle-deal/?v=79cba1185463 Bit spendy, is there anything else worth considering? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 I run Valeo 300Tdi items on my 200Tdi. friction plate UBQ000130, pressure cover URB100760 & release bearing UTJ100260 [Stumpy R380 only] LT77 use release bearing FTC5200 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallfry Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Can't go wrong with Valeo, Sachs, or LUK. I am always suspicious of these "upgrades" there is usually a downside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Wouldn't personally support lof clutches having seen a stunt he pulled on farcebook. I've always used valeo 130 clutch as Ralph's put the part numbers for without issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted March 4, 2023 Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 Thanks. To be fair the engine is tweaked quite a bit. Hence the issues with slipping clutches I think. Although I don’t know the cause of the release bearing failure other than bad luck. Really hoping to not have to do this again anytime soon. First clutch came from Ashcroft, can’t recall the brand but known quality parts. Worked ok for a bit but bad clutch slip in 4th & 5th if you floored it and sometimes even 3rd. The replacement was off eBay but again should have been good bits. Clutch didn’t slip as often but was still possible. Then something failed and lost half the pedal travel, which I’m assuming is due to the completely failed release bearing. So I don’t mind going for a more suitable replacement. I’m not one for Facebook. So no idea what may have happened on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 I'm assuming you have a LT77 gearbox, if not & it's a stumpy R380 with the FRC5200 release bearing will make the clutch slip, as that bearing is to long, I found that out the hard way & had to split engine & gearbox to fit the UTJ100260 instead, itsappron 10mm shorter. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 I imported and fitted uprated Clutchfix clutches to all our vehicles - two 300Tdis and a 2.2 Puma - a couple of years ago. They were the ones sold as something like "20% stronger but still the same pedal effort". Although they work fine, all three now cause the gearboxes to rattle like hell when everything is warmed up - which they didn't when new and nor did the original clutches that came out - so there is obviously play somewhere. Now I don't know whether to worry about them failing (the whole point of fitting them was to be able to fit and forget for some time), change them and go back to standard, or just shrug and live with it in the hope it might be an 'undocumented feature' and hope that nothing goes bang when I'm in the middle of nowhere. None of them have done a lot of miles or had a lot of hard use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted March 5, 2023 Author Share Posted March 5, 2023 9 hours ago, western said: I'm assuming you have a LT77 gearbox, if not & it's a stumpy R380 with the FRC5200 release bearing will make the clutch slip, as that bearing is to long, I found that out the hard way & had to split engine & gearbox to fit the UTJ100260 instead, itsappron 10mm shorter. Ta. Yeah it’s an LT77. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 I have used the Britpart HD clutches in a few heavily tweaked TDis without issue, and have re fitted them without hesitation, once because I found a broken spring in the drive plate when doing a rear main (40k miles and no sign of anything wrong till I got into it) and once when putting a new gearbox in. Clutchfix,LOF,IRB ect etc seem to have a similar following to Lanogaurd/buzzweld/snakeoil products that explode into popularity claiming to be the next best thing but in reality are probably just as good as what's already available. Its easy to be good when its new.... Before anyone jumps on me yes I have just tarred with one big broad brush but you get my point...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 @TSD has murdered a few HD clutches with his TGV, he may be able to advise you on good/bad choices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSD Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Not really much to add, except I won't fit the 130HD clutch again. When I fitted the TGV I had whatever Motor and Diesel were selling as the HD clutch option at the time, but I could smell the clutch when pushing hard on the motorway (33" tyres and overdrive). When I had gearbox problems I took the opportunity to try a 130HD clutch. It was OK for a few months, but the centre plate collapsed and all the springs escaped at the Shires 7S event. I fitted another, which didn't do much better. Motor and Diesel offered an 'Extra HD' clutch, with the caveat that the gearbox would rattle (I assume the damping springs are too stiff for the rotating mass) and at a fearsome price. I have no idea what it was, as M&D had removed all the identifiable part numbers (I fully understand why, and I'm not complaining, but I don't have to like it either!). That has lasted at least 10 years and 150k miles - it's been so long I've forgotten the details. I had sort of mentally pencilled-in LOF for when I need another, but without any particular reasoning, other than they weren't pushing paddle clutches that have no place in a Land Rover. Like @muddy I'm suspicious when something new is held up as the ultimate based on advertising and little or no relevant track record, but I know the TGV will want something better than standard tdi. Given the age of every tdi out there, it might be worth getting the flywheel refaced ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallfry Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 Of course you could do the right thing and fit a Auto gearbox instead ! 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSD Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, smallfry said: Of course you could do the right thing and fit a Auto gearbox instead ! 😁 I refer you to the wisdom of guru @Nonimouse https://forums.lr4x4.com/topic/111696-manual-auto-thoughts-and-help-required/?do=findComment&comment=1031172 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 I invite you for a ride in LGT. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 19 minutes ago, Bowie69 said: I invite you for a ride in LGT. Yes Please......... Regards Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 30 minutes ago, Stellaghost said: Yes Please......... Regards Stephen Be welcome.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallfry Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 8 hours ago, TSD said: I refer you to the wisdom of guru @Nonimouse https://forums.lr4x4.com/topic/111696-manual-auto-thoughts-and-help-required/?do=findComment&comment=1031172 The gentleman in question is clearly deluded, and has no idea 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted March 6, 2023 Author Share Posted March 6, 2023 I think that is straying a little OT. However, for me personally I most certainly not go for an auto with a Tdi. As it would be an old school dumb auto, so no lockup at cruising speeds and no engine braking off road. As well as a slow and dim witted kickdown. All would equal poor performance, poor mpg and lot less fun and control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 The HP22 has cruise lockup.... which is what they put behind the 200. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonimouse Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 I run a Borg and Beck standard 200tdi clutch. My 200Tdi is running about 70ft/lb more than standard and I regularly tow all up. It's been in since 2014. I have had the flywheel re-faced when I fitted it, becuase the previous clutch plate was fitted backwards! Borg and Beck is now Valeo, or the other way round. In 11 vehicles, with 12 200tdi engines, I've only ever fitted the 130 clutch once. All the others were standard 200 tdi/LT77 clutches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmmv Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 I have I think the same clutch as @TSDin a 300 with VNT, and it is a bit rattly but so far has been reliable including trailer towing and manouevring, over about 5 years. I think it is AP basically but built to M&D spec. Its Valeo predecessor catastrophically lost the springs in the middle. (Ie the middle of the clutch plate and also the middle of Chorley.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 @Chicken Drumstick Drummer, I have a powerspec clutch here that you can try. Came out of mine as im Converting mine to auto. Couple of years weekend use but still lots of life in it if you want it. FOC Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted March 6, 2023 Author Share Posted March 6, 2023 23 minutes ago, Mo Murphy said: @Chicken Drumstick Drummer, I have a powerspec clutch here that you can try. Came out of mine as im Converting mine to auto. Couple of years weekend use but still lots of life in it if you want it. FOC Mo That's very kind. Let me see what my schedule is like for collecting. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 Let me help with that ... Wednesday to saturday 👍 Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted March 10, 2023 Author Share Posted March 10, 2023 On 3/6/2023 at 5:26 PM, Mo Murphy said: Let me help with that ... Wednesday to saturday 👍 Mo Thanks for the offer. I’ve actually gone down a different route in the end. But really appreciate your kindness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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