Hybrid_From_Hell Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Could some kind soul (s) confirm / explain the new laws coming in re "noise" and tyres ? As I understand it all new UK tyres and EU tyres will have to have passed a noise "limit" and be marked accordingly with the marking, this, as I understand it will be the sound of the death bell for much over a say BFG mud terrain you won't be able to buy anything aggressive as it will fail noise limits and this is europe wide so anything from outside will not be DOT / speed marked so illegal, thats if you wnat to pay the horrific costs of shipping anyway So, me questions are When does this kick in ? Am I right that existing tyres until replaced are OK ? Is this the end of any decent agreesive tyres as I think ? The legislation is Not "get roundable" ? law not retrospective ? anything else known ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Poore Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Just a quick search has revealed this: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/environment/research/cqvcf/tyrenoise/tyreroadnoisereport.pdf/ via http://www.the-ace.org.uk/tyre-noise-regulations.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I have recently been doing some consultancy for a car producer and the new directive that coves these things especially the new tyre labelling does not apply to re-tread tyres and larger sizes and tyres for cars made before 1980 (how that would work on a LR I wouldn't know but would be another loop hole) which I think could be a get around details are here Linky Jason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zardos Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Googling sheds some light Link to directive From VCA (Vehicle Certification Authority A1 From the 23rd March 2010: Passenger tyres (class C1,ECE-R 30) with a width up to and including 185mm, Small commercial tyres (class C2 ECE-R 54) with single load index up to and including 121 and Speed Symbol N and over, Commercial tyres (class C3 ECE-R 54) with single load index 122 and over or single load index below 122 and Speed Symbol M and below, From the 1st October 2010: Passenger tyres (class C1 ECE-R 30) with a width up to and including 215mm, From the 1st October 2011: Passenger tyres (class C1 ECE-R 30) with a width greater than 215mm So depends how big your tyres are A2 Yes only new tires as it is a type approval reg A3 May be but there do seem to be some exceptions and it all depends on if the mostly US specialist tyre manufacturer can be bothered doing the testing and getting them below about 80dBa measured 7.5m away. A4 Seem to be only for Road tyres, tyres marked for off road only might not need comply. A5 Not retrospective see A1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I have recently been doing some consultancy for a car producer and the new directive that coves these things especially the new tyre labelling does not apply to re-tread tyres and larger sizes and tyres for cars made before 1980 (how that would work on a LR I wouldn't know but would be another loop hole) which I think could be a get around details are here Linky ]Jason. could you stay with one font & size please, changing size of the text makes reading your post difficult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickwilliams Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 When does this kick in ? 1 October 2011 for tyres wider then 215mm. It's already in force for narrower tyres. See the VCA's information leaflet. Am I right that existing tyres until replaced are OK ? Yes. Is this the end of any decent agreesive tyres as I think ? Don't know. This site appears to indicate that 'off road professional tyres' are excluded but I can't find that wording in either the Directives themselves or in the UK legislation. The legislation is Not "get roundable" ? If the professional use bit is true then that looks like a fairly big potential loophole, but the worst case, I guess, is that you will have to wear road legal boots to your off road play site and then change them when you get there. Might make green laning difficult! law not retrospective ? They rarely are. anything else known ? We're all doomed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 could you stay with one font & size please, changing size of the text makes reading your post difficult Sorry Ralph, When I use my corporate laptop it tries to enforce the corporate font rules etc even on web pages, as we don't have that font on the forum it seems to do strange things to the size and font, size changes are often when I make corrections, I do try and correct it a lot of the time but sometimes the changes don't take. Jason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zardos Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I notice that Goodrich now list the Kawler for "Competition use Only" (http://www.bfgoodrich.co.uk/bfgoodrichuk/en/tyres/4x4/20071206134144.html) Which might be them using a get out clause. So far I have found no tyre manufacturers web site giving the detailed information the tyre labeling law requires. And I think the UK has been a bit keen on implementing the EU regs as per usual, as they only start coming in to force around Nov 2012. Knowing certain EU countries are slow to legislate EU regs you might be able to buy non conforming tyres abroad still. But it seems it does not affect agri tyres, so be friendly to your local farmer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landy andy. Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 I thought this is why BFG changed to the new KM2 mud terrain. And if we are allowed to run/buy the KM2's with the new law, I don't mind the law too much. And aren't the likes of Insa's remoulds, so the law won't count?? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Sorry Ralph, When I use my corporate laptop it tries to enforce the corporate font rules etc even on web pages, as we don't have that font on the forum it seems to do strange things to the size and font, size changes are often when I make corrections, I do try and correct it a lot of the time but sometimes the changes don't take. Jason. Thanks for clarifying the situation, not your fault if the laptop does it without you knowing. tahoma is in the font list on here, in the drop menu top left of the reply text box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuck Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Hmm, Wasn't aware of this... So my tyres will have to be quieter than the youth from next door's two stroke?! I swear I'll accidentally reverse over it one day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKEYCOPPER Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Was it not the EU that killed off the Cosworth with noise regs ?? Not to worry, when we get the referendum on europe we can all vote to leave !!! Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco_al Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Was it not the EU that killed off the Cosworth with noise regs ?? technically, yes, as ford deemed it too expensive to alter it enough to comply with the new regs. does make me wonder how the likes of ferrari, aston, etc get away with it, as i'd say they were louder than cossie. as for tyres, some of them are quite noisy, although the new gen of a/t's are a lot better, and still give the same performance even though they aren't as aggressive. surely a clamp down on loud stereos and exhaust systems would be a better one than tyres - although i'm sure it won't take them long to catch up with the saxo brigade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 I reckon we get away with it on the professional use clause. How can tipper trucks and the likes function otherwise. Many rules like this would affect us, such as bumper height, but there is a clause in this regulation for vehicles with drive on all wheels being exempt. Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobson Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Really, your tyres would have to be pretty loud for you to get a pull for it, and i can't see many policemen checking if your tyres have the relevant markings on them, as long as they have good tread. I would think this is only going to be a problem either at MOT, or maybe several years down the line when the current 'too noisy' tyres have all been sold. Anyway, if you currently have a new pair of old pattern MT's or krawlers, who's to say how long they'll last? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iomlt Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 i think loud tyres are a good thing, children get out the way as do small fury animals. but i suppose the law is backwards in its thinking. lets make 2 / 3 ton vehicles so quiet that noone hears them coming and then get knocked down by them...... then we can introduce lower speed limits and waste even more tax payers money..... so whats next? oiless engines just in case they leak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbarton Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 .... so whats next? oiless engines just in case they leak? I suppose they could start designing cars with electric motors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reads90 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Was it not the EU that killed off the Cosworth with noise regs ?? Not to worry, when we get the referendum on europe we can all vote to leave !!! Paul How the hell do harleys get away with it Thoses things make a racket Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Train Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 I suppose they could start designing cars with electric motors. Well the EU are talking about legislating noise makers on electric cars so that they are not quiet anymore. Sort of defeats one of the great advantages of an EV. However, if all other vehicles were quieter then people could hear the EV approaching due to tyre noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKEYCOPPER Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Well the EU are talking about legislating noise makers on electric cars so that they are not quiet anymore. Sort of defeats one of the great advantages of an EV. However, if all other vehicles were quieter then people could hear the EV approaching due to tyre noise. If the electric cars are too quiet then mite need Usain Bolt to carry the red flag lol Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manfred Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 ok the land with no restrictions on anything offroad you are so lucky ,here in germany you have to get permission to put ona leather steering wheel, bodylift kits , extra lighting bigger size tyres even to put on a winch bumper, towbar the noise with those tyres? sod it i ve got cooper stt and they have run 45000miles and extrem noise love every minute of it and pedestrians start running cause they think it s the bus and they might miss it i ve heard that cooper is putting out the stt mers an *S*vor silent running wait and see defender the only way to drive save with good sound took out center silencer sound improved mot did nt see jack sh... i will go next month to the home of my lovely car visit my kiddies (not my EX Wife) and hope to tiddle off some farmers...no i wouldnt do that but get myself some parts to get my car a side exit exhausted that is fun manfred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 However, if all other vehicles were quieter then people could hear the EV approaching due to tyre noise. Not for much longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmerboy_y2k Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Remoulds are exempt as they're classed as eco friendly, so Insa special tracks are ok but Simex would be banned as they're a new tyre? As far as i know both of land rovers MT tyre options - michelin xzl and goodyear mtr will both still be available. which is fine with me as i run xzl's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inaine Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 I thought this is why BFG changed to the new KM2 mud terrain. And if we are allowed to run/buy the KM2's with the new law, I don't mind the law too much. And aren't the likes of Insa's remoulds, so the law won't count?? Andy Correctomondo KM2's are much quiter than the BFG MTs of old. the compounds have had to change and tread pattern, hence the 20%+ price hike in tyres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manfred Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 km2`s ? have to look that up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.