pugwash Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 LRO has never been much cop. it's interesting that they are in a world of pain, whereas we have problems because we are so busy. must be doing something right then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 The members own it, and that's how it will stay for the forseeable future. If people prefer other sites, then that's their choice No, no - I didn't mean it the way you think at all Jim. It just means people pick the sites they like, and use them, that's all. Copying another site, (such as Pirate), is a bad idea in my opinion. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 The two are linked Jim. When the original site went down, some folk didn't like the new one, and some came here (we had a rise in membership at that time), the latest site is temporary (20-days), so it's reasonable to expect a jump in membership on here again, as it seems from posts on the temp site that not everyone is happy with all of this. Once the new LRO site is up and running, I suppose there will be a reversal of sorts. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 oh ok- that makes sense, and i wanted to check before i dived of the deep end or chucked all my toys out of the pram! this question isn't meant to be as provocative as it sounds but, if the vast majority of users wanted to make a major change (eg in regards to the commercial side of things), would the mods welcome this, or find it difficult to accept, considering you guys started the site with a certain aim in mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbarton Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I've been on today to voice my opinion.All I get is personal attacks. Being told that as a mechanic you don't know what your talking about.You are not allowed to tell the truth either. he he - no more verbal assaults from a d***head who shall be nameless but would appear to be drunk and skint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Jim if you want to set up a poll go ahead your free to do so. the facts remain this site is independent of commercial interest and advertising and in my opinion long may it reign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Neale Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Met office have issued a weather warning forecasting heavy snow for the SW - esp the Bristol area.... won't hold my breath tho' Weather Warning Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeryDisco Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Accumulations of 2-5cm are expected quite widely inland, with 10-15cm possible for parts of the Midlands and Wales. oooh - that's enough to have a snowball fight! Superb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 First priority of this sites appearance was to keep the then members of LRE website in one place in a situation that would obviously be to their liking, Geoff supplied a home for a while. Second was the steps we took and still maintain - that there should be no outside influence that dictates the way this site runs - with the exception of the Moderators and Admins - a large portion of which came here from the old LRE site. Myself and Tony Cordell were prepared to initially fund the site should it become necessary once it grew out of Geoff Beaumonts hands, but the donations made by members made this unnecessary. Moderation is strict, but it works nearly all of the time. Any member can at any time suggest changes, post a poll to get an opinion, change mods or admins - whatever you like. The poll function is easy to use, so any of you wish to put an idea across and get an idea of members opinions of it, then this would be the best way - we could even arrange for you to do it anonymously if you want to stay unburned! Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missingsid Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 As a recently new member on this fine forum, I came here looking for quality advice and information. I have tried other motoring forums but only stayed on for seconds as the amount of adverts made it nigh on impossible to read or find anything. This forum is the best I have come across in my limited experience, it is very clear and has large windows for each post instead of a staggered approach. Most of this is possible I guess due to no advertising space, HOWEVER it is fantastic that the serious vendors who post here do so to help the members and I find it invaluable that they will step in and solve an issue. It does not bother me that they have stuff to sell as the collective membership will ensure that nothing incorrect or biased would go uncommented on. It seems to me that the vendors that are on this forum are offering the best quality specialist products in a market place that is stuffed full of companies who just want to turn a buck and are not interested in moving the sport forward. I like the idea of the bottom line being a link to show whom they are as this would actually help new members recognise who has just given the help and why it is accurate. Last point, from an outside point of view, it seems that this forum has a number of people who create products that solve the problems that the other members need a solution to. What a fantastic resource for both sides of the equation and a great way to advance the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hmmmmmmmmm All I would say is caution. This site has grown from the outset. It is friendly welcoming and tech tech tech. NO site can be all things to all people, if they wnat to have a more "Chat Room" Forum, and less tech, then one way of saying it would be "This is not maybe the site then for them", whereas another way may be to say "There may be this site that would suit you better as it is aimed more at what you wnat" - but it is not right to say "We need to make it acceptable to have drivel and innane posts and replies willy nilly so lets have a poll" In simple terms this site was set up (anyone correct me if I am talking B*****s - not unknown ) as THE LR 4X4 site for tech question queries, fabrication ideas problem solving and general 4x4 LR based looseish and all things connected.... The BIG problem on "the last" site was politics, personal agendas, more politics, purse strings being pulled for fun / stupidityu and generally lots of grief in the background, - we do not have any of that here cos we are truly independant. So to traders. Traders come in various guises, those who IMHO are both exellent in both quality of service free advice ideas and add to this forum from there contribution, whilst at the same time managing to work within the existing rules the forum asks them to, as BB has mentioned ashcroft and Si R are perfect examples of this, Dave is a wealth of knowledge and shares it, he is well respected for his advice, generousity and quality of service, and the forum would be a lesser one should either of them Si or Dave and a few others not be here. They haven't asked to advertise, they have found a balance and work with us, they do not need rules adding amending nor altering for them, they seem quite happy, and I think set a perfect exapmle of those who the site needs to encourgae and support. Therewill be others who are not so resoanble, if they cannot fit as do those above into the forum then why should we rewrite the rules, add, have a poll or anything else for them, they need to fit in with us. Its a fair expectation that not all the members will always tow the line on all the rules all the time, thats just life, but we should expect everyone to respect the rules as much as they can, and those who blatantly disregard them will know it - and rightly so IMHO. Remember that yes we can collectively change rules etc, BUT once you start this its a slippery slop, I think everyone needs to think very very carefully about this - the rules for this forum are frankly quite easy going, a few "please can yous, a few we would request and a few DO NOTs" but in the main is loose, easy going and we expect people to be adult and work as a group here. IF Traders want to advertise here I would say why ? Simple - MONEY Thats all well and dandy but look at this site. No Pop ups no advertisers no one telling us that this that is wrong or "I have paid X and I wnat this or that". the ones that the rules being changed to allow advertisers etc will benifit the very people we do NOT wnat. Those who understand what LR4x4 is all about fit in quite nicely, and dare I say it probably do well out of us financially as we promote them and they contribute, see the above ! I for one think that changes once done are difficult to undo, and that any advertiser can come here and contribute to the forums, get involved and help where they can, abd work within the rules to say who they are, we have this now, and it works mostly ok most of the time, those who abuse it need to be told quite simply that this is a tech LR4x4 forum, NOT one of the pages of LRO LRE etc. Enough said, please stop and think - must go all this sensible typing means I will have to have some medication now Wibble nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR90 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Gosh, this has got us all excited but we all seem to be missing one of the key elements of this forum - EQUALITY From the outset we have endeavored to ensure everyone here is treated equally and certainly I still believe I am here to help the mods who are in turn only doing what they do for the members. Check the charter. We did not want members with red stars or gold stars, extra privileges for those that make financial contributions, or any other grouping that takes away the ethos of member equality and creates divisions. And yet we are now all talking about a new classification of 'Trader'! We have many good members who contribute to this forum sharing their knowledge and experience, and some just happen to be traders. But ALL are members, no divisions. So we have a working model from which we all benefit. And yet we are now talking about creating a new group of 'members' who are Traders first and members a grudging second and then only as a means to peddle their wares. OK, so we could give them a red star, make them pay money, and they get to spam away, no 20 post rule, and no benefit to members accept our tech posts will become increasingly padded with adverts (in just the way many bemoan the magazines that seems to be nothing better that glossy yellow pages). I don't think our members need this. The traders might but if I need a new widget I can just ask the members for a recommendation, I don't need the adverts. I also think it would be a very sad day for all of us if we had to reclassify some of our existing members as 'traders'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 interesting points made by all, but i don't think we have equality at the moment- David at Llama4x4 gets accused of spamming, but others dont which doesn't seem very equal to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Please tell me you are not one of those "Police support Officers" and that you have a proper job with your employers. Like a front desk civvy job or a job in IT, or someone who answers 999 calls.You would never admit to being one of those t*ts in a dayglo stab proof vest and a peaked cap with no actual powers, would you?????? MJG, I have a feeling you've had a pop at me before about my job on another topic.... I am not a Police Community Support Officer (though that is a proper job). I was a Special Constable in one force for almost 8 years and a Communications Controller for the same force for 4 years, which means that sometimes I volunteered to get abuse chucked at me, but also got paid to take it as well. I regularly suplemented the 3 or 4 officers that used to be on duty in my town on a Friday and Saturday night, and dealt with numerous incidents including serious and fatal road traffic collisions, and domestic violence. I am now a Communications Controller for another force. So yes, I am one of those who answers 999 calls. I am also there to decide who gets to see a police officer and who doesn't, or who gets to see one first. On a daily basis I speak to people who are going through the worst time in their life, people who are just plain abusive because they "pay my wages," people who are in a right state because they need our help and don't know where they are, and sometimes I speak to people who thank me for helping them. Depending on the desk I work, I could be juggling 25-30 incidents (or more). It is down to me to co-ordinate the response to an incident and get the right unit dealing with it. I work two 12 hour days shift and two 12 hour night shifts. If I was a PCSO, I'd have no problem in telling people thats what I did for a living. And, they do have some powers - generally the ones that they need to do the job they were designed to do. I also echo SIWHITE's comments - the police is a disiplined service like the armed forces. We cannot pick and chose which orders to follow - if we do we get fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollythelw Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 well said Trev, personally I fear "rules" this country seems to add more and more all the time, there is a friendly irreverence on this forum which ensures any transgressions are dealt with. Ive got faith in the Mods/Admin team, I may not agree with them all the time but thats all part of getting along together. If anyones naughty they are big enough and (in Niges case) ugly enough to deal with it. KISS - crack on the way it is IMO, adverts suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q-rover Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 What really bugs me is 'shops' with websites and email contact info that don't reply to email's regarding their product. Especially when they claim to have specific products that they import from other countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Someone that offers tech advice and then points out that they sell the item(s) as well is a spammer, clear and simple. Can't really see why this isn't crystal, but comments made by those of you that have posted on this subject so far have been noted, and as always respectfully thought about and discussed in the 'forum that has loads of porn'. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MJG Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 MJG, I have a feeling you've had a pop at me before about my job on another topic.... I think perhaps you are misreading my post. I am not having a pop at you nor Specials who I actually do understand have the same if not very simliar powers as the police. As to what you do now for what my opinions worth I fully respect the job done by those who handle 999 calls - I think if you re-read my post I make my views clear and I quote:- "and that you have a proper job with your employers. Like a front desk civvy job or a job in IT, or someone who answers 999 calls. What I have a problem with is people who for what ever reason want to dress up and pretend to be Police Officers which IMHO opinion, (which I belive in a free country I am entitled to) is all the poor old PCSO's are doing. If we were all being truly honest we know this is what motivates them. They are a way of getting people in high viz jacket's and a uniform on the street on the cheap (though noting from posts above the folly is they aren't any cheaper for some reason) We can thus give the assurance to joe public that they can feel safe rather than tackle the real issue which is the lack of 'real' police on the steets. I find it a little worrying that people would want to do such a job but as I say it is a free country so it's really up to them. BTW people have a pop all the time at the job I do (not necassarily on here) so I reserve the right to do this when I wish....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRecklessEngineer Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Come on then MJG...what is your job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon W Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Had a small amount at 3 o'clock this morning in liverpool. Settled on the grass and roads. But melted out quite quickly. None left anymore unfortunately, hoping for some more now. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dred90 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 so it's reasonable to expect a jump in membership on here again, as it seems from posts on the temp site that not everyone is happy with all of this. Would appear that way: Most users ever online was 356 on Today, 01:17 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 I too rarely go on.I've been on today to voice my opinion.All I get is personal attacks. Being told that as a mechanic you don't know what your talking about.You are not allowed to tell the truth either. Oh well switch it of as there's a lot better forums with friendly helpful people about that really do want to help others. mike FOAK Knickers I can and do in certain places cause trouble in an empty house !!! Hi mike I added my tuppence worth about cowards who attack people using alternative id's. Guess what? Both threads have been pulled! Regards Leeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dred90 Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Met office have issued a weather warning forecasting heavy snow for the SW - esp the Bristol area....won't hold my breath tho' Weather Warning Matt As long as it stays away from North London tonight - am out on the bike later - can do without the white stuff making my journey home a nightmare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmatt Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hi mike I added my tuppence worth about cowards who attack people using alternative id's.Guess what? Both threads have been pulled! Regards Leeds Hi Brendan & Mike, well I think were better off staying away from LRO it aint the forum it was, I know you guys were there at the start I've been registered four years but this is the final nail in the lid for me and LRO, sooner the disappear down the swanny the better, So many better forums about. This is where I spennd most of my forum time now. Cheers Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1G UP Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 autotrader editorial have a read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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