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>Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia Law were told on

>Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted

>Radicals in a bid to head-off potential terrorist attacks.

>A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty

>To Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister

>John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would

>face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to

>Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the

>country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and


>laws were made by parliament.

>"If those are not your values, if you want a country which has

>Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he

>said on National Television. "I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching

>That there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the

>Australian law and another the Islamic Law, that is false. If you can't

>agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would

>prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country,


>practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello


>Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave,

>He said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to

>The other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told

>Reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should



>Basically, people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't

>want to live by Australian values and understand them, well then,

>they can basically clear off", he said. Separately, Howard angered some

>Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies

>monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT

>AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It!" I am tired of this nation

>Worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their


>Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in

>patriotism by the majority of Australians."

>"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the

>'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility

>that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against

>immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a

>better life by coming to Australia." "However, there are a few things

>that those

>who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here,

>need to understand."

>"This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has

>served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as

>Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own

>Language and our own lifestyle."

>"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles,

>trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought

>freedom". "We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese,

>Japanese, Russian, or any other language Therefore, if you wish to

>become part of our society ... Learn the language!"

>"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian,

>right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women,

>on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly

>documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls

>of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider

>another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our


>"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we

>ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment

>with us."

>"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair

> Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this

>planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change,

>and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all

>means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

>"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will

>allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done

>complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our

>Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take

>advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO


>"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come

>here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

>"Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, AMERICAN citizens

>and CANADIAN citizens will find the backbone to start speaking out and

>voting the same truths!!

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rather than shoot the gobsh**e

how about a rock throwing event

I could fetch some since flint with sharp edges.

Good on Australia for speaking out!

I listen to Jermey Vine(t****r) a while ago, the discussion was on immigration

they had an Aussie politician on and a bloke rang in to say he wanted to stay longer on a tourist visa but couldn't and as he had met the love of his life whilst there it was hardly fair for him to have to leave Aus to reapply to come back and try to get a work permit as his boyfriend would miss him....

Vine said to the politician did he think it was unfair and why couldn't old lover boy(my term not Vines) just get the required permits and stay on.

Enter mr politician and I quote:

Well we don't really want his sort as imigrants as he has nothing to offer Australia and should consider staying at home"

he also insulted some from Indonesia but I didn't catch all of the speech.

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then we could stone the greenies

the anti hunting lobby

the hunters

the pro rights

the anti abortionists

the right wingers

the left wingers

the no wingers

the veggies

the meat eaters

the ramblers

the chicken dippers

the 4x4 mob....... :o

in short the anyone different to ourselvers :lol:

tricky ground this one...

the reason we can all blow off steam is because we live in the remnants of a democracy. agree or disagree its your right and its good to see it exercised.

feed extremists? - give em a cause and then ban them, or let them show themselves as a bunch of ludicrous prats and let people make thier own minds up - if they break the law of the land - then kill em :)

change national laws to suit incomers with oddball agendas? nah

chuck em out because of beliefs? hmm tricky - I'd like to see how that would stand up in a free court

I'd better put my stone proof hat on then :lol:

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feed extremists? - give em a cause and then ban them, or let them show themselves as a bunch of ludicrous prats and let people make thier own minds up

People make their own minds up, Gez but these buggers are still trying to blow people up. Pile up the stones, Tony.


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I must have misread it Mo, I thought they were just trying to have Islamic law on an equal footing to Civil law - I didnt realise they were campaigning for the right to blow people up...


just playing devils advocate but say Jo Cleric wants to fuel a prospective Jihaddy fella down at the local Bring a bomb party its sooooo much easier when they can say - "look christians hate us, they ban our beliefs...... this is a holy war... dirka dirka stan.. pick up ya dirty bomb over there mate.."

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we got nothing to worry about - being on CCTV 300 x times a day makes for a better - safer - society and with having our kids DNA taken at birth and kept in file - come on - surely you can see we are heading in the right direction - (SORRY - the MP's kids DNA is going to be kept on EVEN more secure database to prevent tampering) - nice to be equal TONY!! ;)

Nobody will be able to get their dirty paws on our data - but hey - if you got nothing to hide - what am I worried about. ??? :ph34r: - I trust the government implicitly :ph34r: they are looking after my interest :D , just like they made me feel safe from being harassed with junk calls from far away countries,

and they made my GP's or the whole HNS website with all my health info safe ..... :huh: ..................

and the bank is not throwing my applications in to the bin on the street for the law upholding citizens to abuse, and the gouverment is doing everything to stop the climate change (what about a law that states that no new house can be build without solar heating system? oh stupid me - I forgot that government gets money from the gas and oil :) who would have thought of it???

I feel much better now... :huh:

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You know how it is Gez, Sharia law now, Islamic Republic of Brum next. Appease the anti-laners, lose the rupps; appease Adolf, have a world war.

Appeasement, whilst well intentioned rarely works, usually being seen as a sign of weakness to be taken advantage of. :(


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being on CCTV 300 x times a day makes for a better - safer - society

CCTV isn't the evil eye people think it is - at the end of the day people watching gets pretty boring and believe it or not the operators get sacked if they spend their time looking at boobs or following people round with no reason (the tapes are randomly audited). Seeing them track criminals with it is damn impressive though - they will watch shoplifters for hours then just as they get to the bus stop to go home (thinking they're home free) with their spoils a couple of police appear from nowhere and have a little word :lol:

I'd be more worried about the unregulated CCTV such as people stick all over their houses - legally they're not allowed to be able to see any property that's not theirs but I'm damn sure my next-door-neighbour knows whats going on in my back garden at any given moment <_<

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A lot that was said there is bloody sensible! As Mo said, appeasment rarely works and this is a case in point. I've no problem at all with anyone who comes here if they offer something for the country, respect OUR laws, history and culture, learn out language and accept that if they want to make this there home then they are 'British' and should be proud of it. I've also got no problem with them giving us an insight into their culture (cuisine, for example) as long as its not forced upon us. I think this country has a very big problem with being overly PC - we're told we must change, must imbrace all cultures and that everything is our doing. Rubbish IMHO.

What's interesting is that I've got some cousins who are first generation Canadian and they don't see themselves as British but Canadian and they are very proud of it. How many of the PC bunch over here would promote such a view?

Seriously, the more I read the more I think Australia is the place to go.

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- if they break the law of the land - then kill em :)

change national laws to suit incomers with oddball agendas? nah

not quite appeasement in the traditional sense Mo ;) - freedom of belief yes, right to have national laws re-structured to suit imported cultures - nooooo

Im just wary of politicians stoking a climate of fear in order to screw with rights that should be jealously guarded :unsure:

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I must have misread it Mo, I thought they were just trying to have Islamic law on an equal footing to Civil law

it actually worries me that they just might be trying to do this- our laws have only taken us a thousand years or so to reflect our values and beleifs system.

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