CwazyWabbit Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Just seen this pop up, there will be test autonomous vehicles on the road by the end of the year. https://www.electronicsweekly.com/market-sectors/automotive-electronics/jlr-take-autonomous-vehicles-uk-streets-end-2017-2017-06/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPendrey Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I'd like to see one handle a green lane! Although, in truth, I hope they never do because I enjoy driving them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 For a given definition of "autonomous"... we're still decades from anything I'd trust with my life whilst reading a book on the back seat. Lots of hype / money floating around it as the next big thing at the moment though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 There are certainly some big names pouring a lot of money into this area ..... I wonder how good it will be and when we'll see it in affordable vehicles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I suspect it'll be the same as electric cars - nearly but not quite for a long time yet with no-one willing to admit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic-al Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 It's something I used to be really against but for the last few years I've found driving in the UK has just become so frustrating and depressing you might as well be driven. Agreed it'll be a while before it gets anywhere but it is interesting to see how many bit companies are pushing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_pete Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 1 hour ago, FridgeFreezer said: For a given definition of "autonomous"... we're still decades from anything I'd trust with my life whilst reading a book on the back seat. Lots of hype / money floating around it as the next big thing at the moment though. So it will be out for 15-20 years then you'll give it a go ? ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 No matter how wonderful autonomous vehicles are, I still enjoy driving, so I will have no need for them. If I want an autonomous vehicle I will call a taxi. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Wonder how insurance will work who will be the responsible person if no driver is required, I'd say the vehicle registered owner or whoever is in the 'command' seat & able to stop or override the vehicle. sounds like a nightmare to sort out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I'm sure there will be plenty of lawyers ready to sort it out for you, Ralph, for a fee of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbeaumont Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 That's one of the issues that has to be thrashed out before truly autonomous vehicles can become an everyday reality - it's not just the technology. My money is on heavy goods vehicles being the first place it gains traction as more than a rich man's toy. Big financial benefits to getting rid of the driver (except from the drivers point of view...). Personally, I like the idea of sitting back and letting the car do the long boring motorway slog/daily commute and the like. Just as long as I can still take the wheel when I want to. Logically, though, the computers will eventually be better at it than us and no one will want the liability of distractable fleshy drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, geoffbeaumont said: ......Personally, I like the idea of sitting back and letting the car do the long boring motorway slog/daily commute and the like. Just as long as I can still take the wheel when I want to. ...... Then we will all be 'Sunday drivers' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Knowing the reliabilty of the electrics on my landy, I wouldn't want lives depending on it somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_pete Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 3 hours ago, western said: Wonder how insurance will work who will be the responsible person if no driver is required, I'd say the vehicle registered owner or whoever is in the 'command' seat & able to stop or override the vehicle. sounds like a nightmare to sort out. Insurance is just a bucket everybody pays into and pays out in case of an accident. I have house insurance in case something happens to my house. The insurance companies will crunch the numbers and charge accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic-al Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 With the tesla the driver is still in charge of the vehicle even when it's driving itself, the same as using cruise control I guess. The guy who died in the tesla hit the side of a lorry as the camera didn't detect it against the sky due to its colour or reflectivness or whatever. Their argument was to compare the number of deaths per driven mile against the number of deaths per autonomous driven mile. By that argument their technology has saved lives. Their are 2 hgv systems being tested that I've read about. One is Volvo and as a car driver you somehow book a lift with a lorry online, meet up with them on the motorway and join the convoy. The cars then follow the lorry close together until it's your turn to leave the convoy. Just have to hope the lorry driver stays awake! The second was I think Scania where numerous lorries link together so that you only need 1 driver at the front to control the whole convoy to cut down on drivers and it means they can travel closer together. Both of which would make leaving the motorway from the middle lane fun! I say skip it and go straight for the teleporter. Just have to hope your broadband doesn't cut out mid teleport! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 24 minutes ago, Cynic-al said: ..... I say skip it and go straight for the teleporter. Just have to hope your broadband doesn't cut out mid teleport! Ah, but that brings up a different ethical problem. To teleport someone you 'simply' identify all the particles in their body as well as direction and speed of movement, then you simply select a set of the same particles at the remote location and reassemble them ....... at this point you destroy the person in the original location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_pete Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 You could create a wormhole and walk through. Are we off topic yet ? :-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW8IZR Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 10 hours ago, CwazyWabbit said: Ah, but that brings up a different ethical problem. To teleport someone you 'simply' identify all the particles in their body as well as direction and speed of movement, then you simply select a set of the same particles at the remote location and reassemble them ....... at this point you destroy the person in the original location. And just like teleporting an old series one from 1950 to 2017 you choose not to re assemble the bits you don't like. don't re assemble the rusted parts .... don't re assemble the diseased or worn out organs...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 8 hours ago, mad_pete said: You could create a wormhole and walk through. Are we off topic yet ? :-) Well not if it's a tinworm hole .... not seen any bad enough to walk through yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Disco boot floor? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbeaumont Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 10 hours ago, Cynic-al said: Their are 2 hgv systems being tested that I've read about. There's also Otto in the states - they're working on fully driverless HGVs (same sort of idea as Tesla). Although they are currently dealing with a court case that alleges they nicked their technology from Google's autonomous car programme, so quite what the future holds for them is anyone's guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic-al Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 12 hours ago, CwazyWabbit said: Ah, but that brings up a different ethical problem. To teleport someone you 'simply' identify all the particles in their body as well as direction and speed of movement, then you simply select a set of the same particles at the remote location and reassemble them ....... at this point you destroy the person in the original location. Destroying is such a strong word, can't we just say spreading them around a little? 2 hours ago, geoffbeaumont said: There's also Otto in the states - they're working on fully driverless HGVs (same sort of idea as Tesla). Although they are currently dealing with a court case that alleges they nicked their technology from Google's autonomous car programme, so quite what the future holds for them is anyone's guess... Not seen that one, I will have a look! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 I think it's funny watching everybody squirm and wriggle trying to find a way to keep doing what we're doing, but without pollution/accidents/traffic congestion, and without having to change how we live. We're too dependent on cars and we drive too much, and sheer economics will dictate how and when we wind up like our grandparents, living near work and shops and schools and not criss-crossing the country at will. Which is why I have a V8 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbeaumont Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Speak for yourself Davo. Some of us already work from home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 1 hour ago, geoffbeaumont said: Speak for yourself Davo. Some of us already work from home I visited the office 4 times last month ...... that's 4 time more than in the previous 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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