deep Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Bowie69 said: So.... the bed is so small there is literally no point? If they did one, it would surely be based on the promised "130" (same wheelbase, longer body)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 hours ago, landroversforever said: Anyone else think its a little ironic that it makes it look more like a freelander? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 18 minutes ago, deep said: If they did one, it would surely be based on the promised "130" (same wheelbase, longer body)? True, had forgotten that one.... Hardly surprisingly I suppose, they've not exactly been forthcoming with the other models thus far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanuki Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Folllowed a Black Defender 2.0 back from Devizes today, which gave me some time to study its rear-profile before he turned-off to Avebury. To me, it does look a bit of a "Fat-bottomed girl" as Queen would put it: the wheelarches seeming too wide for the upper superstructure (reminds me of the 'bubble' arches boy-racers fitted to Mk.1 Escorts back in the 70s). Keeping the same track but widening the body up-top and using smaller wheelarch-flares would have given a more-balanced profile [also being a quiet 'heritage' nod to the original flat-sided Series LRs!] - they could then have moved the rear lights further-out too and avoided the silly little extra ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 On 3/18/2021 at 11:22 PM, reb78 said: But to be fair thats like any defender 110 DC pickup... I always thought that was a strange model. It makes sense in a 130, but it made the 110 too small internally while also creating a fairly useless exterior space. But at least that model had a cubic load bay with no side frames that got in the way of external loads or equipment. The C pillars on this model will be fairly obstructive, I’d think. I imagine it’ll work well enough for some, it it does seem more an aesthetic choice than practical utility function. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, Snagger said: I always thought that was a strange model. It makes sense in a 130, but it made the 110 too small internally while also creating a fairly useless exterior space. But at least that model had a cubic load bay with no side frames that got in the way of external loads or equipment. The C pillars on this model will be fairly obstructive, I’d think. I imagine it’ll work well enough for some, it it does seem more an aesthetic choice than practical utility function. I've always liked the 110DC, but like you say, it not a very practical model. I think if they'd evolved the models over the years it would have made sense to make it the same size on the back as a 90. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naks Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 (edited) https://www.instagram.com/p/CNF05GYDpbP/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CNGy6gyLMBy/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CNG8E1WsFj1/ "Patented 2inch subframe lifts are now available from New Defender Mods. Pictured here is the 2inch subframe lift/bullbar combo with lift rods still in (in off road mode) Last 2 pics are subframe lift with rods in normal height. Rods will be removed soon to give full 2 Inches of lift with no compromise. Why is this such big news? Well this lift is like no other lift on the market, it keeps suspension 100% stock as @landrover intended and lifts the combined body/frame up off the suspension subframe. This means you get a full 2inch lift, keep your downtravel thats usually lost with lift rods and your susp geometry is as close to factory as possible. Edited April 1, 2021 by Naks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 30 minutes ago, Naks said: https://www.instagram.com/p/CNF05GYDpbP/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CNGy6gyLMBy/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CNG8E1WsFj1/ "Patented 2inch subframe lifts are now available from New Defender Mods. Pictured here is the 2inch subframe lift/bullbar combo with lift rods still in (in off road mode) Last 2 pics are subframe lift with rods in normal height. Rods will be removed soon to give full 2 Inches of lift with no compromise. Why is this such big news? Well this lift is like no other lift on the market, it keeps suspension 100% stock as @landrover intended and lifts the combined body/frame up off the suspension subframe. This means you get a full 2inch lift, keep your downtravel thats usually lost with lift rods and your susp geometry is as close to factory as possible. If it's anything like their previous products, all I can think is "scary". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naks Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 50 minutes ago, elbekko said: If it's anything like their previous products, all I can think is "scary". Why do you say this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 They've done it before for other LR models, and then they showed off this sort of thing: The 2" Defender kit does look less sketchy I guess: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naks Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Yeah, the 4" & 6" lift kits are a lot more complex, with new propshafts, etc, whereas the 2" seems a bit more 'restrained' 😅 If this fits the L494, I'd be keen on it. I'd then run the car in -2" height mode for everyday use, and only go to Default height when going off-road, which would give me the extra lift I want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Has anyone seen a coil sprung version offroad yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Keeps the air pressure lower in the airbags. Can't be a bad thing. Now, if this fits the coil-sprung version, we're looking at a very good thing! Though, of course, there are other ways of lifting vehicles with coils, keeping the suspension geometry unaltered has to be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 The lift on air I believe is more that its increase volume in the bag rather than extra pressure that lifts it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 19 hours ago, landroversforever said: The lift on air I believe is more that its increase volume in the bag rather than extra pressure that lifts it. This has come up quite often. Despite all the theory, it's pretty obvious that the suspension stiffens when lifted. The movement in the bag overcomes some of the P=1/V equation but not all of it. I believe we covered that about 50 pages ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Not necessarily though. But what they could be is just too stiff to start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 I think from the videos it seems the air springs get very stiff when raised for off road - you see the vehicles teetering around on three wheels for relatively small ground undulations, like a pig wearing high heels. There is almost no suspension articulation on the high settings. That stiffness would be brutal at speed on the road, so it must be softer when low. This kit might give a good compromise, with a bit of a reduction in high speed road handling for much better off road capabilities at the same road height, and the possibility to stand on stilts for severe departure angles. I wonder if the subframes allow for improved break over angle. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Does it have the same ACE system as D3,4,RRS? For me, this is the thing that makes the air suspension really work. I find that even on max height, my RRS still has a decent amount of articulation (maybe not compared to an average 'old' defender). I suspect the springs are deliberately too soft - and the ACE fixes the wallowing that you would otherwise get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremySteel Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) I've just tried mine on a badly maintained bumpy country lane at 30mph on normal and high setting. My soft & sensitive New-Defender-Posterior couldn't tell the difference. It retained it's near RRS-like ride quality and I didn't even spill my coffee. I think I would sensed a 'brutal' ride after a few seconds. Edited April 10, 2021 by JeremySteel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naks Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 TFL just did another comparison with the Wrangler: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Happened to have a walk round the outside of a JLR dealer earlier... not so great fitting of this arch jumped straight out at me on a 21 plate defender! Picture makes the gap look smaller, I could get any of my large sausage fingers in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Naks said: TFL just did another comparison with the Wrangler: I thought their conclusion was a bit strange, considering both vehicles passed their one test but only one of them scraped its belly - three times! It's not just the difference in technology that separates them. Check out the tyre difference. Good on them for braving their expensive car on a genuine test, for us viewers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointFive Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 2 hours ago, deep said: I thought their conclusion was a bit strange, considering both vehicles passed their one test but only one of them scraped its belly - three times! It's not just the difference in technology that separates them. Check out the tyre difference. Good on them for braving their expensive car on a genuine test, for us viewers. I have grown grow weary of Skipper and Champ's wholesome All-American review style. Which one scraped its belly? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 Don't know if this has been posted Euroncap tests Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremySteel Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 A bit better than the 2018 Wrangler. That wheelarch protector is awful. Aren't they Dealer-fitted? If so, the Saturday Boy has some work to do or the part is duff. Any Customer would be, how shall I say, unimpressed and the Workshop manager should be having words. This chap shows how to fit them: We Fit Our All New Land Rover Defender With Extended Wheel Arch Protection Kit VPLEP0379 - YouTube (He gets everywhere!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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