Snagger Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 I think the 90 works for two people and as a family car in general use, but I remember going from Bedford to Bristol for Christmas with a family of four, two dogs, their crates for night, and packed for a week, plus a small amount of gifts for the relatives. To call it a squeeze would be understatement. Now the kids are grown up, it might be more practical, but I’d not have a 2 seater and a 2+2 seater would still benefit from a bit more space than the 90 had. But I can see why some would find the 110 too big; its extra length makes a big difference for parking and small space manoeuvring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 7 hours ago, simonr said: Buying a 2 seat LWB just combines the worst of everything (for me). A 90 / 100 with 4 usable seats would be perfect - and that's kind of why I have a RR, but it's still not as practical, utilitarian a vehicle as the Defender was. Horses for courses - a two seat LWB is second only to a three seat one for my use. I need to carry myself, sometimes a friend, an option for a second friend, dogs or chainsaws in the back and a bed/kitchen for the travels I dream about much and occasionally actually do. Back seats just get in the way. Even when I drove Range Rovers, I took the back seats out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 I've owned both multiple times over and I always kept the 110's longer. Doing what I did the additional internal loadspace and better towing characteristics were an advantage over the slightly better nippiness and manoeuvrability of the 90's [same applied to the Series I had before the coilers]. I was never a fan of nausea inducing side facing seats nor the forward facing loadspace seats in the first 110 XS Puma I had, subsequent Puma's were all 110 XS USW's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 YouTube video with Alu-Cab and Ineos Grenadier; he keeps talking about cutting the roof off! Some nice shots of the battery installation and fuse bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Presumably the obsession with roof cutting is to enable fitting of things like their flip up roof conversions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaklander Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 The Alu-cab Icarus roof is a replacement roof. Unbolt, lift off, lift on and bolt on. It doesn't need any cutting on a 110. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Link to a article in the USA edition of Autoweek, discussing the Grenadier and US pricing, (in generalities only). https://www.autoweek.com/news/future-cars/a38905563/more-details-on-the-ineos-grenadier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Peaklander said: The Alu-cab Icarus roof is a replacement roof. Unbolt, lift off, lift on and bolt on. It doesn't need any cutting on a 110. That's on a Defender, he is referring to the Grenadier which presumably is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaklander Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Actually @Happyoldgit I think that the Defender version may have started out as a cut out/off job. I think that the roof was destroyed in the changeover but then they moved to a more sensible option. Somehow I doubt the Grenadier has a bolt-on roof. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 22 hours ago, jeremy996 said: Link to a article in the USA edition of Autoweek, discussing the Grenadier and US pricing, (in generalities only). https://www.autoweek.com/news/future-cars/a38905563/more-details-on-the-ineos-grenadier Quite a helpful article, if USA focussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) Photos pulled from FaceBook, the first I have seen from under the bonnet. I'm a little concerned as that looks kind of busy, (you can tell I've never had a FFRR or D4!). Edited February 2, 2022 by jeremy996 Another thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Anything remotely modern is going to look busy! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 The amount of emissions gubbins required these days means it was never going to look like a morris minor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escape Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Agreed with the above, but that also means service or repair in the field will be difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) Actually, by modern standards, that looks very good. Look how straightforward access is to the radiators and coolers, for example. Everything else looks nicely laid out. They have clearly thought a lot about this. Don't get me wrong, I hate complexity more than most and prefer my Land Rover engines to be pre-1985. However, given how things are these days, that is a lot better than most. Looking a bit harder, I am intrigued by that seal around the bonnet edge. Can't say I've seen that before. Edited February 3, 2022 by deep added words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 Seal is probably for aero, emissions, EU is barmy for that sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 The seal is probably aero and noise, or perhaps just because all the doors have double seals, so let's add one to the bonnet! Those pictures are apparently the diesel engine, so as complex as it gets. I'm still struggling with the big plastic bit on the top - I don't like covers. There is still stuff they are keeping quiet, the actual Cd, I presume it will be better than the old Defender, I'd love to see the crash test videos; apparently they are very good compared to other large 4x4s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 That cover looks a lot like what I've seen on one or two BMW cars. Probably not specific to the Grenadier? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) The latest press release being rehashed around the world. The video released at the same time, (to provide B-Roll for all of the media outlets), is not on YouTube yet and is too big to post directly on here, so I will add it if and when I am able. (The full quality version is 1.53Gb, the low res version is 32Mb). EMBARGOED UNTIL 00:01 GMT ON 16 FEBRUARY 2022 HAMBACH PLANT IS ‘GRENADIER READY’ AS INEOS AUTOMOTIVE COMPLETES TRANSITION TO FULLY OPERATIONAL OEM · The first production try-out Grenadiers are rolling off the line at INEOS Automotive’s state-of-the-art Hambach plant in preparation for launch series vehicles in July · INEOS acquired Hambach from Mercedes-Benz in January 2021 and is investing in facilities and the highly skilled workforce to build on the site’s long-standing reputation · Hambach is only 200km from INEOS Automotive’s operational base in Stuttgart · Customers will be able to finalise orders online or with their local retailer from April London, 16 February 2022 – Production prototypes rolling off the line at INEOS Automotive’s Hambach plant signal the final stage in the company’s transition from ‘project’ to automotive manufacturer. Since acquiring Hambach in January 2021, INEOS has invested over €50m in addition to the €470m invested in 2019 by Mercedes-Benz in an all-new production line. The line now dedicated to the Grenadier includes a new fully-automated bodyshop, a new semi-automated paintshop, and an upgraded general assembly facility. Hambach also benefits from a new high-tech quality assessment centre. Having taken just 12 months to reconfigure the new line for the Grenadier, INEOS is nearing the end of a first production try-out (PTO1) phase. Building 130 PTO1 Grenadiers is crucial for defining the assembly process and also provides the engineering team with production-representative vehicles for final rounds of testing and certification. The PTO2 phase starts in March to validate the assembly process and build quality, before production of launch series vehicles proves out the supply chain, logistics, and build rate. In parallel, preparations in all commercial parts of the business continue at pace to ensure INEOS is ready for customers. Over 100 sales and service partners around the world have been nominated, and contracts have been signed with parts distribution and retail finance partners. “Some 15,000 customers worldwide have reserved their Grenadier,” said Dirk Heilmann, CEO of INEOS Automotive. “We want to deliver a vehicle that’s ready, and we won’t cut corners. With the benefit of the highly skilled and experienced team at Hambach, as well as the expertise in safety and quality that we have employed, we are on target to begin series production in July.” Full pricing and specifications will be announced in April 2022, when customers in Europe, Africa, Asia Pacific and the Middle East can finalise their orders either directly with INEOS online, or via their local retailer. North America will follow later this year. -Ends- Contact details: Sarah Pelling, Head of PR, INEOS Automotive +44 (0) 7887 451773 sarah.pelling@ineos.com Matt Moore, PFPR Communications +44 (0) 7715 075992 matt.moore@pfpr.com About INEOS Grenadier In 2017, INEOS Chairman Jim Ratcliffe, a car enthusiast and experienced adventurer, identified a gap in the market for a stripped back, utilitarian, hard-working 4x4 engineered for modern day compliance and reliability. INEOS Automotive Limited was formed and a senior team of automotive professionals assembled to bring the vision to reality with a fresh perspective of 4x4 development and manufacturing. Combining rugged British spirit and design with German engineering rigour, the Grenadier will be a truly uncompromising 4x4 built from the ground up. Engineered to overcome all conditions, it will provide best-in-class off-road capability, durability, and reliability to those who depend on a vehicle as a working tool, wherever they are in the world. INEOS Automotive is a subsidiary of INEOS Group (www.ineos.com), a leading manufacturer of petrochemicals, speciality chemicals and oil products. It employs 26,000 people across 36 businesses, with a production network spanning 194 manufacturing facilities in 29 countries. From paints to plastics, textiles to technology, medicines to mobile phones, materials manufactured by INEOS enhance almost every aspect of modern life. In 2019, INEOS had sales of circa $61bn and EBITDA of around $6bn. To find out more about Grenadier, visit www.ineosgrenadier.com Edited February 16, 2022 by jeremy996 Video details 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 YouTube video from Tommy at TFL, so USA orientated. Uses some B-Roll from the release yesterday - check out the factory scenes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 15000 reservations is a good start! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 TFL also put out a very good interview with a Grenadier rep for North America (though it was awkward hearing someone with an English accent saying Zee instead of Z...). About 15 minutes long, with some detail footage of a prototype to illustrate it. Neutral, informative and polite and worth checking out. Sorry, I can't easily link to UTube but should be easy to find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, deep said: TFL also put out a very good interview with a Grenadier rep for North America (though it was awkward hearing someone with an English accent saying Zee instead of Z...). About 15 minutes long, with some detail footage of a prototype to illustrate it. Neutral, informative and polite and worth checking out. Sorry, I can't easily link to UTube but should be easy to find. The TFL YouTube video I posted above, ("Deep Dive"), interviews Greg Clark, the Executive Vice President, Ineos North America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 20 hours ago, jeremy996 said: The TFL YouTube video I posted above, ("Deep Dive"), interviews Greg Clark, the Executive Vice President, Ineos North America. Oh dear, must have been the same video! Didn't get that from the title, sorry. That's what comes of watching videos when you should be asleep... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 TFL added another video that gives an OK overview - interesting to see what draws Tommy in to the Grenadier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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