white90 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 my four bolt Power steering box is starting to show signs of weeping around the lower seal where the drop arm connects, other than this minor ailment it is fine. suggestions required for the rectification of this problem, is it terminal new box time or is the seal a job that can be done reasonably? if it is a replacement recommended suppliers? do they get supplied with the drop arm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Quick trip to your local halfrauds for a bottle of "power steering stop leak" (or equivalent of). They do actually seem to work very well and are alot less hassle. If nothing else its worth spending the fiver and trying it casue its alot less hassle than a re-con box and changing it over aswell! HTH Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted November 8, 2005 Author Share Posted November 8, 2005 Thanks Jon I will give it a try first. it is just a sign of weeping no drips etc so 'll see how it develops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
was a nice truck? Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I have fitted a seal to a rr box but this was yonks ago. It passed the mot but i cant say if it was a long term thing or not also as i recall it was wear in the bush/bearing that the shaft spins in that had caused the seal to fail. I would replace the box if Excesssive free play can be felt . Just my thoghts though others may see a different route.!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibexman Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 my four bolt Power steering box is starting to show signs of weeping around the lower seal where the drop arm connects, other than this minor ailment it is fine.suggestions required for the rectification of this problem, is it terminal new box time or is the seal a job that can be done reasonably? if it is a replacement recommended suppliers? do they get supplied with the drop arm? Adwest engineering great service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted November 8, 2005 Author Share Posted November 8, 2005 Adwest £262 which includes a £50 surcharge refundable. as it isn't dripping or losing fluid yet I'll keep an eye on it. thanks for the respones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 £99 for a recon via paddocks. Cant comment on how good or bad they are though. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR90 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 £99 for a recon via paddocks. Cant comment on how good or bad they are though.Jon While I'm generally pretty happy with Paddocks I had one which when fitted promptly dropped all the fluid back on the road Its not fun to change and doing it twice is even less pleasurable though I should add in this instance a local garage fitted them for me and it was the least of the problems we faced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 tony, I had my own box (4 bolt) rebuilt by a company in Bristol. IIRC it was £150 or so. I'll try and dig out their details but I'm sure there will be someone nearer to you who could do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyManLuke Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 'Stop leak' turned what was a steady leak into just a moist drip on my box. it stayed like that for over 6 months without using even half a tank of fluid. mr MOT man didn't like the moistness so i fitted an adwest repfurb. expensive, but great service, and peace of mind. perhaps i should have just wiped the seal clean and thrown some mud at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted November 8, 2005 Author Share Posted November 8, 2005 Thanks Charles. The Adwest is a refurb the carriage is £16 I will keep an eye on it for a while as it is Tax/Mot/new windscreen time at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Tony, Its one of two things. 1. Seal cheap and relatively easy fix, stuff Jon has suggested it the stuff to try, if that doesn't work change seal. 2. Other prob is its the seal that gone, but that its gone because of the shaft and bearing, not easy and definately not cheap, adwest would be my route here to, so that I don't get more "Con" rather than "Recon" HTH Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Wipe excess clean, throw mud at it and promise MOT man you'll sort it by next year's appointment. Friend of mine has done this for the last 5 years with the same leak and same MOT man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted November 8, 2005 Author Share Posted November 8, 2005 that's the route I'll follow Nige. this ones lasted 125k so far the recon ones available look like they have just been painted up, some with no drop arm. Adwest remanufacture and supply unit with the drop arm so an easier install if I have to buy one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honitonhobbit Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Adwest are very good but try South West Power Steering in Avon Mouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted November 8, 2005 Author Share Posted November 8, 2005 recommended? can't find them via google or yell.com found western power steering in bristol but they don't list L/R defender boxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I would try seal first as Nige suggests but take the box out to do it so you can put it in a vice and work on it comfortably, working upside down with fluid dripping in your ear just doesn't work and you will never get it all nice and clean before fitting the new seal. I've not done it first hand but seen lots done at work, they usually only fail again if the sector shaft is badly pitted or grooved and chews the new seal up, success rate is probably 80%+. Seal kit about £30 odd I think, probably another part where Genuine is the only type worth bothering with. For some reason if you leave them leaking for a while the shaft seems to get grooved, no idea why, so best to try and fix it sooner rather than later. I've just had my Disco steering box re-sealed, seems OK at the moment, also had the old 90 done about 18 months ago, first attempt P'ed fluid everywhere, second attempt fixed it, even 2 seal kits was cheaper than buying a new box!! and the seal track on the sector shaft of that one was really, really bad but cleaned up "sort of OK" with very fine sandpaper. The other thing to watch for is that sometimes the seal can leak because the bottom bearing collapses and so the sector shaft is waggling around in the bottom of the box. And if that happens the steering could suddenly lock up mid corner which I imagine would be quite interesting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 really bad but cleaned up "sort of OK" with very fine sandpaper. Spot on on all inc Genuine seals. Also re the above use a soft clotch wrapped around shaft with solvosol autosol and go back and forth will polish the shaft up a treat, Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted November 8, 2005 Author Share Posted November 8, 2005 after going to the trouble of removing the box to try a seal I think replacment would be my prefered choice. as it doesn't look like the best of jobs. thanks for all the advice BTW. leak seal first thing tomorrow, and check for free play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8CAMEL Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 after going to the trouble of removing the box to try a seal I think replacment would be my prefered choice.as it doesn't look like the best of jobs. thanks for all the advice BTW. leak seal first thing tomorrow, and check for free play. if you a replacing the seal don't bother with the landrover one get one of the Zeus seals as they are far better. Landrover build leaks into their seal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honitonhobbit Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 recommended?can't find them via google or yell.com found western ppower steering in bristol but they don't list L/R defender boxes Sorry Tony, that's them. They do a 24 hour refurb on any box, including collection and delivery. Cost is a £125 plus VAT for the work, delivery costs additional - 4 bolt boxes are ok On a slightly different note - what is the difference between a 3 bolt and a four bolt PS box? I have a 3 bolt in the garage that has been refurbed... ay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 Sorry Tony, that's them. They do a 24 hour refurb on any box, including collection and delivery.On a slightly different note - what is the difference between a 3 bolt and a four bolt PS box? I have a 3 bolt in the garage that has been refurbed... Thanks 3-4-6 bolt unsure in reality I think they are linked to the type of pump fitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 after going to the trouble of removing the box to try a seal I think replacment would be my prefered choice.as it doesn't look like the best of jobs. thanks for all the advice BTW. leak seal first thing tomorrow, and check for free play. If it is still the original box which I presume it is if you say it has done 125k, the internals might be getting pretty tired/slack anyway so a refurb box may be the best solution in your case if the leak stopper doesn't. My 90 only had about 60k miles on it when I had it done. It is also probably fair to say that doing the seals "right first time" is one of those things that you get better at with regular practice which is one reason why mine get delegated to somebody else - getting the new seal in without damaging it if the sector shaft is scored is a bit of an art, and very likely to be something you wouldn't get right first time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 I've spoken to western power steering they'll do a 48hr turnaround. they do a reconditioning service on your own box. Luckily I have a mate who's offered to drop it off and collect if I go for the rebuild. I poured some Wynns stop leak in there today and will monitor the situation for a week if it starts weeping again, I'll go for a rebuild, or the Adwest remanufactured unit one way I keep my original box and save a fair few ££ on postage. the other I'm considering. I like the idea of keeping my one and having a decent job done on it. Western sound convincing on the phone saying all bearings/seals are replaced and shafts if damaged in anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 I've got a seal kit for the output shaft for a 4-bolt steering box if you want to have a go yourself. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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