tomcat404 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Look what i've just bought? Unimog 404 rolling chassis. I have seen a couple of project using the original chassis and axles and building from there on wards but has anybody out there any usefull suggestions? or indeed built such a buggy on a chassis designed to flex? I don't intend to use the engine or box at all, but if i can utilise a u1000 transfer box I can have 2wd, 4wd High and low and difflock too ! all air actuated too ? and keep the torque tubes etc. Any suggestions???? nath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 build up a giant defender? Icelandic style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy511 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 ive never met you, but i dont like you already! jelousy, is a horrible thing! id space frame it make into one of the huge off roaders the russians build! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b101uk Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 The u1000 (424 / 427) 8 speed gearbox + transfer-box unit with the 2 planetary reduction boxes giving 24:24 gears probably weighs more than that 404 chassis + axels & drive train that you have on that trailer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v8bobber Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 I agree with the big defender look. I reckon a 110 body would sit on there quite nicely. You know it makes sense! D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat404 Posted October 24, 2008 Author Share Posted October 24, 2008 The u1000 (424 / 427) 8 speed gearbox + transfer-box unit with the 2 planetary reduction boxes giving 24:24 gears probably weighs more than that 404 chassis + axels & drive train that you have on that trailer. Quite possibly i have heard the u number wrong when picking friends brians the other day, will have to pop round with pen and a pad next time... dare i say a u 900 the one with the bubble cab? definately air operated anyway, Space frame ???? Like the idea I do have a tomcat already and fancied building another on this chassis keeping it to the bare minimum, for weight reasons but i'm not too sure how not to affect the chassis flex ? I'm in no real rush and this is all probably going to be a long ish build over the next year anyway. Plus the 300tdi in the tc has just blown the head gasket !! Please keep the ideas coming and any pictures if poss? I might even do a build up thread if i have the time, nath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Surely you have to build one of these? unimog on youtube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ1 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Well i think its a waste of time building anything out ofthe lump of iron!!!!!!!!! You What to sell???????????? Custom buggey type build wouldbe ace! Good luck with what eva you go for mate and keep us updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 LSx V8, a proprietary transmission and an off-the-shelf body on top, something silly like a Pontiac Firebird or a stretched Mini? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous doug Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 mogs are cool! i know nothing about them but here is one that may give you ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat404 Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 mogs are cool!i know nothing about them but here is one that may give you ideas. Doug you are a sick man !!!! I have only managed to find one little piccy of that mog a few months ago !!! Where did you manage to find those pic's please?? any more ? Anybody know where to get the spec's for that truck please? He has a standard back axle with front swivel ends on? never seen that before?? FYI A mog 404 chassis is exactly the same as a range rover ?? The cab an body mounts are in exactly the correct place for a tomcat cage ? and an inductrial steam cleaner will take chassis paint of and fire it directly into your face !!!! ask me how i know that today !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous doug Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 oooh ahhh hmmm......dont know if i should try this thread, user name "minimog" dont think its his truck though. no harm in asking him. iven if its not his its a pretty informative thread http://forum.difflock.com/viewtopic.php?t=...cd05d4a3612da0a hoped that helped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobotMan Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 take a look at The Mog Shop I'm liking what they have done to their 404's and think along the same lines for mine. MiniMog on t'other foum has a 411 to which he is fitting 404 axles which are bigger and then reusing the 411's under a Landy I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat404 Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 take a look at The Mog ShopI'm liking what they have done to their 404's and think along the same lines for mine. MiniMog on t'other foum has a 411 to which he is fitting 404 axles which are bigger and then reusing the 411's under a Landy I believe. Hi Rob, Thanks for the info, already looked at the mog shop they have some great ideas for a 404, not sure what thier like for shipping parts etc but will give it a go? Dont suppose you know where the chassis number is exactly on a 404. Its on the passenger side i know( The mog being left hand drive of course) but really can't find it? thanks nath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous doug Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 how much is a mog to buy? i want one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portal pete Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Tom Both front and rear axle casing's are identical, rears are fitted with a spacer instead of a swivel so converting yours would just require a pair of swivels and shafts. Id just use the axles and put them under a lightweight buggy. Keep the pics coming Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobotMan Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Mine is on the passenger side just in front of the front wheel spring on the outside of the chassis rail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan kemp Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Nath, you should be using the Tomcat (or sell it to Saley), rather than building another truck... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I'd put some nice Rover axles under it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat404 Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 I'd put some nice Rover axles under it LANDROVER AXLES PROBABLY NOT LOL thanks for all the ideas, im just wiating for the dvla to send the paperwork back before i decided what to do, Rob... are the portal swivel ends a bolt on job? for the rear axles apart from the shafts? from looking all over the next possibilities are endless !! A tomcat cage will excatly fit ontop of the notmal mounts, but i'm not too sure how a cage will affect the flex of the chassis? We shall have to wait and see ! anybody got some 404 rims and tyres knocking around they don't need?? nath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro_Al Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Hi Nath. Nice little project. Yes you can just replace the spacer pieces on the rear axle with swivels from front axles if you want 4WS. Have a look at yours - its just bolts. The cage will give significant stiffening, depending on how you mount it, which will spoil the chassis twisting element of the Mog. If you mount it using the shackle type mounts used for the load bed you could save the chassis flex - though you might find with significantly less weight on it, it won't flex too much anyway. Better off a little heavier to get the most from that. Yes, I might have some wheels and tyres going spare. Cheers, Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat404 Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 Hi Nath.Nice little project. Yes you can just replace the spacer pieces on the rear axle with swivels from front axles if you want 4WS. Have a look at yours - its just bolts. The cage will give significant stiffening, depending on how you mount it, which will spoil the chassis twisting element of the Mog. If you mount it using the shackle type mounts used for the load bed you could save the chassis flex - though you might find with significantly less weight on it, it won't flex too much anyway. Better off a little heavier to get the most from that. Yes, I might have some wheels and tyres going spare. Cheers, Al. Hi Al, Its been a while! Don't know if you remember but i have tomcat on 404's the only problem is the wheel base is far too short and I really need to shove the axles forward and back to increae the wheel base. Dirty diesel did the disk conversion too. I just could turn down the rolling chassis at the time i'm sure you know how it is ! With the rear steer does that mean i can use the same shaft already on the back? just changing the end? that being the case I might take the axles of the tc and swap the ends over for a rock crawling mog build?using the disks etc with a longer tc body and pto winches from our friend Jerzy in poland? nath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro_Al Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Hi Nath - thought it was you from the WBBSC! The rear shafts go through the spacer piece and directly into the portal box, the front shafts are shorter to allow width for the wiggly joing and knuckle in general, so no, you need front shafts too. You could get some made up if they are elusive. Maybe DD can help you again if he is still around? Not sure what he's up to nowadays. If you go for the Mog-based crawler, try to build the winch mounts sympathetically regarding chassis twist. If you weld in a solid mount at both ends (and maybe the middle too) you'll be limiting flex still further. I still think its a hell of a vehicle to base it on though - just needs a little thought. Cheers, Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Is eliminating chassis twist really an issue if you are redesigning the suspension anyway? Surely the extra travel from the "extreme" (sorry ) suspension setup will compensate for the lack of chassis twist? Or am I missing something..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thats interesting about the front portal/shaft etc being a direct fit on the rear....I've been thinking the same for my 2 404's - 4WS and re body /cage . The biggest draw back with the 404 is the std gearbox's lack of ratios and cost of pto units too . The only real solution to that is 4 linking the axles and fitting complete eng+trans to suit the diff offsets. There is a bit of info over on Difflock mog section about converting the std 404 g/box to 8 speed which maybe another option, thus keeping the std torque tubes. I think the chassis is some sort of high grade steel, and whatever steel it is , it's still a big no-no to weld cross members to it as it would make it too rigid plus creating stress loads where there shouldn't be. Drill and bolt or rivet as per original. The 'neutral' point of the chassis is at the rear of the transfer case . The std cab has a single ctr pivot above this and mounts either side at the front. Those pic's are off a thread on Pirate iirc - looking close at the cab it appears to be a moulding - grp? anyone know anything? I have some spare wheels too and a few other bits.... Cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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