smo Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 A bit of a leap there smo, Stephen was pointing out that they design and price cars to sell new, nothing more. Believe me, manufacturers are designing/engineering them to be reliable. Not one wants warranty claims. The issue arises with new technology, compromises to meet price points and insufficient testing. It's a fine balance that all car manufacturers aim to get right. may don't succeed. Land Rover live in a competitive world like any other car manufacturer.Cheers Steve Steve - whilst it might be a bit of a leap as a design engineer im well versed in designed obsolescence and have seen it first hand, corner cutting is rife even with products that cost a LOT more than a disco or RR (£5mil boats!). Funny old world we live in. On another note i'd love a disco 3, it would make a great family car and tow vehicle for the d-lander, shame i cant justify the purchase cost or the fuel at the moment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jil6939 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 On another note i'd love a disco 3, it would make a great family car and tow vehicle for the d-lander, shame i cant justify the purchase cost or the fuel at the moment! Now fuel is a funny one in the D3 as it is so random and takes little to make a large change. 25mpg average isn't great but it will do 32 (Miss Daisy) or 15ish i hope with the trailer behind it. The roof rack was off being recoated and it made no difference at all??? It really is a bit random. They say theres more to life than MPG ....but not when the tank's empty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 seems strange that if they are so overpriced, so terrible etc then why do you see literally DOZENS of them every day when out and about? its probably the most common 4x4 on the road at the minute.to people who want to spend £3K on something that is basically a tractor and will go on forever then it probably is terrible, but to people who buy executive estates, luxury saloons et al then its probably "just the norm" very expensive and hideously complicated to work on! Very true. Most of people buying new will not get beyond putting it through a carwash every so often and perhaps checking the windscreen washer level and tyre pressures. To them it's just something to get them from a - b. The dealer will take care of the oily bits and any warranty work and then it's bye bye to the vehicle and hello to another new one at the end of 3 years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I don't reckon I could find the turbo in a D3 let alone change it. Steve You can just about see it in through the front wheelarch if you take the wheel off and the liner out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisV8 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 The story on the D3 turbo is evidently they don't do a lot over 100k before they go phut so there are a few now needing replacements and it's an engine out job with all the resultant cost The few that the lease Companies have that have got to that problem are disappearing very quickly, be careful if buying secondhand I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 List price with extras no problem at all!!!! You'd have to go a long way and be missing a few marbles to add £16K of extras to a a £44K HSE D3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKP Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 This is quite an intersting thread. Just remember that the old wagon you are trundling around was once a new vehicle and coil springs were a thing of wide-eyed wonder. Sure, the new cars have a lot of technogizmos on board, but for every potential issue there's an aftermarket solution to fix it. You just need the correct tools. A 13mm nut requires a 13mm spanner. An electronic box requires an electronic box reader. My L322 hasn't seen the inside of a dealership for a couple of years (although I will be taking advantage of the front prop/diff rework, shortly) and all maintenance is done by my own fair hand. The oily bits are done with the metal tools in my toolbox, the leccy bits are done with my laptop and some software from a well known supplier. I'm uninterested with it's perceived resale value as I've no intention of getting rid just yet, but the savings made by not forking out £1000 every 12k miles will more than compensate for the reduction in it's cash worth. It's just a car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1G UP Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Personally i'd love a D3 or a new range.like a jag on stilts! it would suit my life style.....kids,dogs,mud,towing,shopping etc. TD5's were magical a few years ago! These forums are excellent at spreading the good and bad info of a product and how they are sorted, upgraded,repaired etc. I'm sure there are tricked up D3's hitting the dirt that have had mods/repairs done to them. Garages that specialise in modern LR's will have to get with these electronics. WE will have to get with them aswell. The Defender is iconic. The next gen Defender will not be an updated 90/110 as we have seen to date. IMHO it will be a freelander sized capeable 4wd hydrid thingy like the jeep wrangler/baby hummer with lots of life style bits to bolt on/off. In 10 years time there'll be D3's all over ebay with cages/bobtails/dented to hell etc.....thats progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jil6939 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 This is quite an intersting thread. Just remember that the old wagon you are trundling around was once a new vehicle and coil springs were a thing of wide-eyed wonder.Sure, the new cars have a lot of technogizmos on board, but for every potential issue there's an aftermarket solution to fix it. You just need the correct tools. A 13mm nut requires a 13mm spanner. An electronic box requires an electronic box reader. My L322 hasn't seen the inside of a dealership for a couple of years (although I will be taking advantage of the front prop/diff rework, shortly) and all maintenance is done by my own fair hand. The oily bits are done with the metal tools in my toolbox, the leccy bits are done with my laptop and some software from a well known supplier. I'm uninterested with it's perceived resale value as I've no intention of getting rid just yet, but the savings made by not forking out £1000 every 12k miles will more than compensate for the reduction in it's cash worth. It's just a car. Well said that man. I really dont think the D3 is that bad its just that people are scared of them. They are missing out on a great bargain of a car ( if the bank will lend anyone a pound to buy one ,but they won't and that is why they are cheaper) I would suspect that it gets bad press due to the fact that most around at the present have had good money paid for them and with the warranty etc "SOME" LR dealers are poor at looking after its customers.(i can only speak from my own experience)When you pay good money the smallest faults do become unacceptable and the inability to fix them without three visits to dealers just compounds it.Having said that when the 300tdi came out everyone said the 200 was better. TD5? oh you dont want one of them you cant fix them....you want a 300tdi!!!! .D3? Rubbish get a TD5??? If you work for the bank and your bonus is due....there are a lot worse things than a D3 that you could buy. Whatever happened to "one life live it"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
najw Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Full credit to JIL6939 for his attitude and if you saw the truck I suspect you too would have 'owl eyes' it is very nice. On the subject of bargains I know where there is an 08 plate Disco 3 HSE, fully prepped for the cancelled 09 G4 CHALLENGE, allegedly available for £25k. That is one hell of a bargain, and if its true, then LR has already taken a massive hit on it. I'd buy it tomorrow, if I had an extra £25k in my bank account :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q-rover Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 The story on the D3 turbo is evidently they don't do a lot over 100k before they go phut so there are a few now needing replacements and it's an engine out job with all the resultant cost The few that the lease Companies have that have got to that problem are disappearing very quickly, be careful if buying secondhand I think. Wrong it's a body off job, so 8 bolts and some multiplugs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Wrong it's a body off job, so 8 bolts and some multiplugs... Sounds easy when you say it like that doesn't it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 It does I reckon a job for the gravel drive anyone offroad one? are they any good or just to darn heavy/cumbersome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_J Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Wrong it's a body off job, so 8 bolts and some multiplugs... I was told it was only three bolts. Dads got one and they are excellent off road in the wet stuff even on road tires. I've seen one complete a hill climb on a 1 in 1 hill, stop half way up when a wheel came off the ground, then finish the climb with 3 wheel drive. Never seen any other LR do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothy Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I'm sure some creative grinding and cutting could save an awful lot of hours taking bodies of, come on lads its a bloody Landrover its got to have drafts, leaks and pop rivets or it's not fit to wear the badge. The market was flooded and is becoming even more so with lease companies letting them go, because they became massivley popular very quickly, and our popular goverment have now made them very expensive to run and tax also, plus the insurance companies will no doubt follow suit when loads go missing or myseriously catch fire at around a 100k miles just before a monsterous bill comes in especially for something that famous for having wiring faults and dodgy electrics, not good but no doubt it will and does happen. They are an absolutly superb piece of kit, but be prepared for paying for the likes, it's the true running cost and for god's sake don't look at MPG or buy a Yaris. It's only nuts and bolts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisV8 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 They are superb off road and extremely nice to drive on the road, I am off to Land Rover Experience at Skipton on Wednesday and as it's a return visit I am sure they will be able to show me something new. I was well impressed with it when I drove one last year, especially when I balanced it on two opposite wheels and then just drove off, the electronics are superb and its capabilities on road tyres awsome. My concerns are with Land Rovers legendary poor electrics, you only have to have a look on the D3 Club forum to see that electronic glitches are beginning to appear with a vengeance. My stepbrother has an early one which gave him a torrid first few months of ownership, with computer and sensor issues, but since it has been superb for him, apart from humungous servicing bills, until he got a horrible shock with the depreciation, it's not a Company or lease car he paid for it. Off road prowess, just watch this http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=38103 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andylandy Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 The reason I am looking for 1 is that its very good value my friend has had his from new he deliver`s D3 and range rover`s around the country his has been serviced as recommended it`s covered 170,000 miles It had problems with the telemetric at 110,000 but LR but a brand new gearbox in it It has had a new rear diff at 165,000 it sounded noise so they changed it It’s had 3 sets of tyres And mpg No trailer 33mpg Trailer 25mpg Towing D3 18mpg All the work done on the car was free as there millage unlimited warranty fro the first three years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_J Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 They are superb hill and rock climbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Thing is, these (and RRS's) are going to be the main-stay of off roading within the next 5 to 10 years. They will soon be the old snotters with the bonnets up on play days driven by Pi... Sorry, travelling folk. (except they'll be wandering around trying to borrow an ODB2 lead instead of WD40!) Like the coil spring conversions for air-sprung RR's or MegaSquirt, people will devise ways of overcoming the electronics where it gets in the way. Even 5 years ago, who would have though of buying a NanoCom or RovaCom (or Autologic / Testbook) to diagnose their own car - but it's getting quite common. I've said that I'll buy a RRS when you can get one for less than 5k - just to play with / off road (I quite fancy the drug dealer / pimp image too, truth be told ) - and I don't think I'm going to have to wait more than a year or so! Electronics in cars is just a fact of life but people are very good at reverse engineering and hacking these systems so I doubt, in a few years, we'll think twice about it! Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicks90 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 i wasnt so long ago that people would look in horror at you for suggesting taking a p38 offroad! but with the prices of respectable condition p38s down to less than £3k, its an aweful lot of car for the money and most of the issues with them have either been rectified or worked around, for a cheap offroad toy, you can get high milers for about £1500. air bags can be replaced with springs, get a base spec manual td and you have no porridge box ecu problems or other horrible hellectrikery problems, or do the v8 with m'squirt and compushift, everything sparky inside is easily fixed or waterproofed and they are actually not too bad offroad. I see them being the replacement of the rangie classic in the non competitive trialling world. Watch this space! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 ^^^ Si and above have very good points, I'd love to see a RRS off road and used 'properly' I've also thought the D3 is pig ugly and looks like Postmans Pats delivery truck, ....love to see a red one, ..... However, if we look at buying a recent one or even new or close to new these things are so overly complex and so poorly built that the net result is depreacition that would frighten a daredevil As such has to be 'one to aviod', unless you don't care about money /or love it so much your prepared to see it fall in value like an elephant rock climbing, more likley they are either bought as company cars / or new nearly new by people who are not aware just what they are getting in to - they will learn If you have the ability to fix one, then yes they will be cheap, and soon cheaper - as the / daft dreamers buy one, get cruified by constant dealer bills and then off load it for what is then a 'bargain' to someone who has the ability patience to sort and probably enjoy for only a little £££s Has some attractions then Hmmm Megasuirt on a RRS ......... Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Well, here's my 2p on the L322. My dad had one for 3 years (V8 Vogue as part of a company car scheme) and put about 50,000 miles on it. The only issue it had was at 2 months old the air suspension went into safe mode and it went back to the dealer for resetting and an upgrade to the software. Apart from that there was nothing. It was very comfortable, did 18-20mpg, was very well built (nothing fell off unlike the replacement Jag XJ....). The early ones are also look the best before they mucked about with the styling. IMHO they are great cars if you get a good one. I particularly like the V8 (I drove the early 3l td6 model and was very underwhelmed) if you can stomach the fuel bills. In fact I like the car so much that's what I'll be buying sometime in the next 12 months to use as a more sensible vehicle / tow car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 ^^^I've also thought the D3 is pig ugly and looks like Postmans Pats delivery truck, ....love to see a red one, ..... H Nige Funnily enough that's just what I'm trogging about in at the moment. ...come on now Jess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 "Dum de Dum....Dum de Dum... .Dum de didle de di Dum Dum"..... Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveN Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 On the subject of depreciation - if just picked up a one year old D3 for pretty much half price - from a main dealer. The previous one was on a Freedom deal - went back because the GFV was about £5000 MORE than it was worth. And finally - taking them off road? Absolutely fantastic car for this. The electronics everyone hates makes it soooo easy for novices like me to take them places I couldn't go with a Defender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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