white90 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Heres some info for you and prices Twin motor set upI can tell you that i do this on an exchange basis Eg: you send me the top housing for your winch. We supply the housing ready to fit, fitted with two motors either 12 or 24 volt (I would recommend 24) Price £550 +vat If you wish to use your own motors then this is not a problem and i can adjust the price accordingly. I should also tell you that you should fit our uprated mainshaft (other wise your going to bust yours!) and this cures 5 problems within the winch. Price £225with cam gear or £175 if you supply cam gear for remachining The kit also comes with instructions two shims, a circlip and of course a new shaft. We aslo do uprated brake shoes £20 a pair And also do lengthened and narrower diameter drums in any size from £160 to compliment this we do lenghtened fairleads from £90 We aslo do the consumables like 24volt alternater 55amp @£150 And of course Albrights at £70 Call Jim If you want to order/discuss on 01732-463600 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR90 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Looks neat but how does that freespool still work? Assuming both motors drive the top gear isn't a second freespool lever required for the new additional motor or does the speed of two motors eliminate the need for freespool (but then why leave the orig toggle there?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJL Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Looks neat but how does that freespool still work? Assuming both motors drive the top gear isn't a second freespool lever required for the new additional motor or does the speed of two motors eliminate the need for freespool (but then why leave the orig toggle there?). looks most impressive why the requirement for 24 volt though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted March 19, 2006 Author Share Posted March 19, 2006 24volt is only an option 12volt also available 24volt = x2 the voltage less current etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 and i thought it was going to be a Mitsu with a winch on,,,,,,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Turner Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 oh my i want one, i want one now, must ring Jim in morning, must ring Jim in morning, Dam! must have a lay down now, but must ring Jim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MogLite Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 That is a nice solution. I suspect it will be a lot less trouble than the twin gearbox solutions. Expect ScrapIron racing to be selling a copy soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 As long as finance alows I will have a pair on the 90 I still cant work out how the free spool works with the brake on but Jim assures its the nuts I must go up and see him for a demo on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 interesting, nice workmanship are the two motors connected by an intermediate gear, thereby the front one drives through an intermediate gear, that then links up with the gear for the rear motor and then onto the rest of the set-up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michele Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 [GULP] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Brock Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Are those matched motors ?....or is there an allowance in the gearing to allow for the variation in speed in a normal miss-matched motor pairing ? are there any implcations if one of the motors/solenoids(or indeed the solenoid coil) fail ? or will it run quite merrily with just the one ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D9OSV Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Are those matched motors ?....or is there an allowance in the gearing to allow for the variation in speed in a normal miss-matched motor pairing ?are there any implcations if one of the motors/solenoids(or indeed the solenoid coil) fail ? or will it run quite merrily with just the one ? Hello, Yes they are matched motors.......Of course The only complication of one or other motor failing is that the other motor will continue to idle it. So unless total bearing failure (Highly unlikely) No problems. As for the free wheel, Well lets be honest have you ever used one??????? In that case , i rest my case We are also testing a free wheeling drum at present and if this works as well as we hope, then you will only need to power in and free spool out (Unless lowering of course) As for why have we left the freewheel toggle.....Eerrrrrrrrr......Why not? and it does a fantastic job of holding the small spur gear in the correct location. As for back lash in the system and is there enough.....Yes, Is the simple answer. This winch shown is one that has been built for a customer, and then he has added his own drum. This is why it is not nicely painted. Will be running one of these at the ultimate, But with the freewheel drum option added as well. Please feel free to ask questions, and i will endeavor to answer them as quickly as pos. Regards Jim Ps: Ironically compared to some Aussie conversions this is still quite tame It is a worry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 I've seen this in the flesh - and it's a very nice, simple solution - and very well made. When the freespool drum comes along (seen that too) - that's just fantastic! This is about the best solution to uprating the motors beyond what you can buy off the shelf I've seen. Uprate the main-shaft though! Well done, Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsr341 Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 and i thought it was going to be a Mitsu with a winch on,,,,,,,,, now theres an idea my 6 is out of warranty next week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 We aslo do the consumables like 24volt alternater 55amp @£150 Consumables ahhhh electric Seriously, looks like a nice idea if there is a "need for speed" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 My greatest concern would be, by nearly doubling the geared inertia will you further increase the epic run-on of the 8274? With all the speed and power that'll be available, you'll only need to blip the button if you've only got 100ft of rope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathtub Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Ive got one on the Tub it lasted the MT the other week with me abusing it . It doesnt over run any faster if anything it pays out slower due to the smaller drum diameter & new brakes etc . But the F***r dont slow down at all i never used a snatch block all weekend & my team mate used 1 on at least 4 sections . Its the dogs nuts as far as im concerned as long as Jim gives me a new straight drum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Turner Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 But the F***r dont slow down at all i never used a snatch block all weekend & my team mate used 1 on at least 4 sections . Pete mate, What motor's have you got? 12 or 24volt? looks like i 'll be at Jim's this week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andylandy Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 run a 24volt charge system and 12volt motors it is ****ing fantastic i had chris hummer a big name in oz challenge events walk to the front of my landy after a ss on the rfc and said what the hell have you got attached to that warn so i explained that it was a 24volt system with a 12 volt motor he said we have been doing that in oz for years but it dont pull as well as yours all i can say is david bowyer is a god Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honitonhobbit Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Jim, What is the max ampage draw at full load? 12 volt version only please maestro! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 max ampage draw Gawd, first Henson, now MY OWN FATHER. It's bloody current, did you teach me nothing with those clips round the earhole while I was but a 12 year old, working 28 hours down't pit just to afford my first beard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honitonhobbit Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Sorry Son - don't tell your mother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Its a bit of an old thread but I couldn't resist answering. This setup IS AWESOME!!!! I watched it at MT and there's nothing to compare to it. When Pete says it doesn't slow down, that's what he means; it really doesn't slow down! I'm probably going to run this setup on my front winch as a testbed to see what breaks. If nothing goes bang, that'll be great but I'm looking to go even more powerful in the future so I need to try and find the weak links. Current draw is a potential problem but a big pair of batteries and a good alternator should sort it. Also, you'll probably draw less current overall than you do with a single motored winch; the motors are running for less time and under less strain at lower temperatures. 12V motors on 24V is something I'm looking at. SERIOUS speed but I wonder how long they'll last..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bush65 Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Its a bit of an old thread but I couldn't resist answering. This setup IS AWESOME!!!! I watched it at MT and there's nothing to compare to it. When Pete says it doesn't slow down, that's what he means; it really doesn't slow down! I'm probably going to run this setup on my front winch as a testbed to see what breaks. If nothing goes bang, that'll be great but I'm looking to go even more powerful in the future so I need to try and find the weak links. Current draw is a potential problem but a big pair of batteries and a good alternator should sort it. Also, you'll probably draw less current overall than you do with a single motored winch; the motors are running for less time and under less strain at lower temperatures. 12V motors on 24V is something I'm looking at. SERIOUS speed but I wonder how long they'll last..... Regarding less current overall, you may (or may not) find that this is so. The amount of work (force times distance) is much the same. The only thing that may reduce this, would be due to lower electrical resistance with lower temperature of the conductors. Some competitors in Aus use 24V with for power in and 12V for power out (power out is usually used instead of free spool). With no load (powering out), they run too fast and don't have a very long life when using 24V. When using the 6HP XP motors at 24V, the soldered joints fail due to the heat. The fix is to re-solder the joints with silver solder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 When using the 6HP XP motors at 24V, the soldered joints fail due to the heat. The fix is to re-solder the joints with silver solder. Bush, does anything else tend to go? How long do they last in standard trim (just thinking about spares...) Powering out isn't a prolem, that's already sorted courtecy of Mr Marsden's beautiful new drums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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