poohbear Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Hi all, Have been working on the rear drums this week and noticed that my drive shafts have been welded to the drive flange. I've heard of this before but this looks factory, not bodged, the welding really is top notch. Was this a standard LR fitment? The parts manual shows the usual circlip arrangement. Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landrovernuts Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 If the welding is top notch it was not done at Solihull!!! Toby 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Pop a picture up, didn't discoveries have half shafts and drive members as one piece items? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 They do, but it's a very different setup. No hub cap, for example. Probably welded up by a previous owner, don't discount the fact that they might have known their way around a TIG set! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 A lot of opportunity to get it wrong though, dissimilar metals and alignment issues .... although I guess it's quite expensive to buy genuine half shafts so worth trying. I'd imagine you'd use arc or a big mig though to do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 defintely not factory standard on any 110 rear axle. been welded to eliminate wear/play between drive member & halfshaft splines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohbear Posted March 21, 2012 Author Share Posted March 21, 2012 I'll pop a picture up tomorrow. D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 I believe this was common on camels if that's any help. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohbear Posted April 21, 2012 Author Share Posted April 21, 2012 Had forgotten all about this post - here are the pictures: The fact it has been painted black seems odd - who would have gone to the trouble? Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 My guess from looking at the pictures is these were welded while on the vehicle (the weld seems to have been done in runs of 1/3 to a 1/4 of the circumference at a time), so I'd say a repair rather than a factory job...... Just my guess though and I've been wrong many times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrfarmer Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 looks like repair but been well done,(i wouldn't worry if it was on my truck). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 That repair will have been done for two reasons. Because the splines on the flange were worn Because the halfshaft was sliding on the splines and pushing the cap off. Both can be sorted without welding the flange like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eds Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 The drive flange is sacrificial so is meant to be replaced. Saves the drive shafts which are seriously hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Yes the flanges are sacrificial not the halfshafts. There's no longer any sacrificial bit there. So the halfshaft could go first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diff Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I agree the standard flange splines are softer than the half shaft splines and so wear out faster. But if the flange splines are in good condition they will not strip before the half shaft breaks, so in that sense the flanges are not sacrificial. A flange with worn splines can strip out pretty easily, particularly the later narrow type flanges. Welding the flanges to the shaft is not uncommon and I wouldn't worry about what you have found. Regards, Diff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimAttrill Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 As in the pictures above, welding is great if done with a TIG welder on the outside only of the flanges. Mine were welded about 200 000 kms ago and are still fine. Don't try it with either stick or MIG welding though as the weld will break due to the fact that the metals are dissimilar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 i would say though that it looks like a stick weld to me. a bloody good one like. but its got that stick sort of pattern to it. then again, it might be TIG. i dont know what heavy steel TIG work looks like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgeback Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 From the photo it looks very much like stick. I was coded in arc, mig, tig and gas but its been a few years. Welding different metals with stick can be fine with the correct rods and prep work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 ive seen stainless rods used on cast. (where i saw it, was actually the old and very rusty shell of a sherman tank up on the moors not too far away) so by deduction i worked out that you use stainles rods on cast steel. (as mild rods dont tend to weld it very well). that looks as if it could be stainless weld. and the black, instead of paint could be oil that has burnt in due to the heat. (thats how you get the black finish on some cool metal stuff) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy62alan Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 That's me going out and buying stainless welding rods for the future, this looks like a worlds best in bodge jobs and worth doing in the future. ALAN Sheffield S25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Seen tanks welded with mig, with stainless wire, was on that tank restoration programme years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 There are of course many types of stainless rod, 309L is designed for dissimilar metals so is probably a good starting point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MostlyGrey Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 How can you change the worn brake disc and brake pads with a welded in front drive shaft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 You can’t, welding a drive flange to a normal front shaft/CV would be silly as it would leave you no way to remove the hub. The above is a rear flange/shaft - no problems doing it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 I have this on my 110 rear axle as the shaft splines were a bit worn. Works well, but make sure you at least tack the flange to the shaft before removing to weld in a vice to make sure the flange and shaft are not crooked! It also allowed me to fit alloys with the centre cap fitted, as I don’t need the plastic cone that usually protrudes through the wheel (unless you add the dreaded spacers). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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