bobtailrangie Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Hi all My new toy has a ramsey worm gear winch, exactly what lb or model it is i do not know apart from that it was on it when previous owner bought it 11 years ago He claims its a 12000lb Having a look over it the winch cable is 8mm, he has used the winch trouble free but is an 8mm cable realy enough? Thats if the winch even is a 12000lb Cheers James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 What do you mean by 8mm I assume you mean the copper core is 8mm dia if that's the case it's around 50mm2 which is what I use. I was recommended this by a sparky at work though the max load on 50mm2 is around 150 amps it seems to put up with 350 amps (stall) for short bursts. However if the 8mm is external then it's around 35mm2 which is what a lot of winches come with. Personally I don't think this is man enough but many people use it with no problems. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Possibly means the winch rope diameter [steel multistrand cable] my Husky 8500lb uses 8mm not given me any problems even when triple lined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyw Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Duh! Ralph just beat me to it. Steel rope diameter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Doh didn't think of that as it's normal called (wire/winch) rope. I use plasma @ 11mm but I'm fair sure my ep9 came with 8mm wire rope. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtailrangie Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Oops sorry guys, yes winch rope, the power cables are ok Ok so it seems 8mm is ok, especially if western used it triple lined Cheers for the help :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtailrangie Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Oops sorry guys, yes winch rope, the power cables are ok Ok so it seems 8mm is ok, especially if western used it triple lined Cheers for the help :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtailrangie Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Oops sorry guys, yes winch rope, the power cables are ok Ok so it seems 8mm is ok, especially if western used it triple lined Cheers for the help :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtailrangie Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Oops sorry guys, yes winch rope, the power cables are ok Ok so it seems 8mm is ok, especially if western used it triple lined Cheers for the help :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Sparkes Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Four identical replies; is that quad lining? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 No ^^ Thats "Tom Jones Syndrome" ................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtailrangie Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Oops bugger, that makes me look very special Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 even when triple lined. Surely triple-lining cuts the load on any given bit of cable down to 1/3rd of the total? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I'm not so sure about that, you're cutting down on motor loading by 1/3rd (ish), but the cable between the tree and the first pulley will see the full load I think. I could be very wrong, my head hurts too much for physics questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSIIA Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Surely triple-lining cuts the load on any given bit of cable down to 1/3rd of the total? Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Member Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 The winch can still put the full load on the cable. Triple lining just makes it harder to reach the stall pull of the winch. 5/16" (8 mm) steel cable is not strong enough for a 12000 lb winch. Breaking strength, new, in a lab is around 10000 lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtailrangie Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Good point about cutting the load down to 1/3rd Like i say thats even if its a 12000lb, anyone know much about identifying older ramsey winches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 shove a photo up, does it have a ident plate or model/serial number ? ident plate was missing from my Husky [bought 2nd hand] so I rang Superwinch Technical & got a new blank plate & all the info just by telling them the model/serial number, they even told me when it was made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwakers Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 just as a reference. my 12000lbs winch snaps 10mm wire rope with ease. i run 12mm and i wouldnt go any smaller... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I guess it depends on how you use it. With most of the cable/wire/rope out, so it's down to the last layer, and a very stuck truck, I would think there is a strong chance 8mm would break. If you're close to the recovery point so only pulling on the third or fourth wrap of cable, you'd probably be okay. I'd be saving for something stronger... The attached photo shows how pull force changes with each layer of cable on a random winch. Just the physics of how far the line is from the rotation centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bobtailrangie Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Heres the pics. As I said it does seem old, handle on the left isnt original but is the freespool lever that rotates left to right Spoke to uk ramsey dealer + they cant do anything without a serial number, aparently its gearbox end but cant find it, may well be because everything is covered in carp, looks like the previous owner needed a jetwash lesson, everything is pretty mucky on whole car Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic-al Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 The load on the rope remains basically the same which is based on the power of the winch regardless of the number of times it is looped. However the load applied on the land rover & anchor point is 3 times greater. The no load line speed is the same as this is also a function of the winch but the effective line speed (is the speed to approach the anchor) is less. The reason I say basically is that the friction of rollers / things the rope drags on will slightly unbalance it but not enough to worry about. If it were 3 statically fixed ropes then the load would be 1/3rd per rope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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