CwazyWabbit Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Apparently the Hoegh Osaka grounded in the Solent last night was carrying 1400 new cars including Land/Range Rover http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-30673439 and http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/11700873.Hopes_to_free_stricken_ship_fade___LIVE_UPDATES/ Anyone reckon the tie down lashings will have survived being lent over at 45 degrees? What happens to the vehicles if they get damaged during salvage? Will they go back to the manufacturer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Possibly become the property of the Insurance Co &/or Salvage Co. most likely any damaged vehicles will be scrapped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 I suppose as they were leaving the UK they will not be UK spec vehicles, they were heading for Germany so probably left hand drive. Although if they are scrapped there'll be plenty of 'as new' parts .... Maybe Ross will get a TDV8 for his 90 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertspark Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 What's the salvage law like if you pitch up and recover one that "fell" off.... https://www.gov.uk/wreck-and-salvage-law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwakers Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 you have to declare the salvage and the salvage owners have the right to take it off you but i belive you get paid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 Apparently JLR have confirmed that approx 1200 of the vehicles on the ship are theirs, thought to be 65 minis as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic-al Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 IMO If LR go for an isurance payout, which is the most likely as when you've got a production line it's generally easier to get paid out at cost + inconvenience of a late delivery than to take back cars that need to be pulled apart by hand and inspected for faults before being repaired, therefore they become the property of the insurance company who in turn either sell them to a cost recovery company or auction them directly. Depending on the damage they will either be put back on the road by smaller companies as no recorded damage, accident damaged or broken for parts / scrapped. A few examples I've seen go through CO PART were a large batch of new vauxhalls with hale stone damage to the top surfaces (loads of dents) or some flood damaged peugeots that a local garage bought and are running as courtesy cars. Either way I'm sure it'll involve phone slamming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 I wonder how much of a delay there will be to produce another 1200 cars? Obviously it won't all be one production line but it's still got to take a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 No more than 12days at the outside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 Really? They'll have the new ones built before the ship is floating again at that rate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic-al Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Depends if they build to order or if they're stock items. Remember all the rover 75s they were hiding to make the factory look busy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 When I worked at JLR the company line was that every vehicle was built to fulfill an order, not just speculative production for stock. That said, it may be that dealers/international distributors specify vehicles and place orders to hold their own stock. Equally things may have changed in the last 7 years, and it may just have been marketing hype anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Really? They'll have the new ones built before the ship is floating again at that rate! According to JLR they sold 425000 vehicles last year, if we assume that all of those vehicles were built in that year then evenly distributed that's 1164 vehicles completed per day, split that between the three manufacturing plants (Halewood, Castle Bromwich and Lode Lane) and you're at 388 vehicles per plant per day. The true figures most be slightly higher on a per day output as the manufacturing plants have 5-6 weeks shutdown a year I think its likely (though I have nothing besides supposition to base this on) that the majority of the vehicle aboard the ship were freelander or evoque, which are built at Halewood which runs 24 hours so probably has a higher than equal share of the 1164 vehicles/per day total.Even accounting for already busy order books I think its probable that JLR could replace those 1200 vehicles within 12 days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic-al Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 That's assuming that they don't need those 12 days to fulfil other orders though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Wonder how easy it would be to trace who is having the salvage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Judging by the transporters/trains I see coming into Southampton it's an even split across the range with the exception of defender. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbs Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I've been on one of those car carriers and they are reputed to be unstable even with the best care taken to stabilise the cargo. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailysleaze Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Turns out they might be able to recover a load of them as they were strapped down: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-30699744 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shackleton Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I'm fairly sure they've refloated the Hoegh Osaka this afternoon. Her AIS has been off for about 2.5hrs now, but the two tugs that were holding her, and all the salvage vessels are now grouped about 2 miles further out towards Gosport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 Gotta love this site, always someone that has interesting info that you can't find elsewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 Apparently she came adrift 3 hours ago so maybe that's what has happened? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11330647/Stricken-cargo-ship-Hoegh-Osaka-is-drifting.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Heard on local news it has been refloated & moved to a deeper safer berth for inspection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Heard on local news it has been refloated & moved to a deeper safer berth for inspection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shackleton Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 It's tantamount to train spotting but I just watch the AIS sites out of personal interest. They were talking about refloating her today, last night, so I'm sure they knew the tide would be high enough for the job. I'd say the paper is just spinning the story. I seriously doubt it was a surprise for anyone. If anyone's interested in having a look, go here, and zoom in on the Solent. You'll see the Hoegh Osaka represented as a dulled out green dot (dulled because her AIS is switched off, and a dot because she's stationary), and to the right of her you'll see the Svitzer salvage vessels and tugs represented by turquoise dots or arrows (dots again for stationary vessels and arrows for vessels under way) Click on any vessel and you'll get vessel details, and photos. By the by, check out flightradar24 for real time aircraft tracking. It'll freak you out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrovermanuk Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I was at the Ford plant at Dagenham a good few years ago. Talking to some of the staff, they said if a car came off the production line with a fault it would be crushed straight away. They didn't even take off the new wheels and tyres or remove the stereo. The guys said it would be crushed even if it was a very minor fault, it was cheaper to build a new car than fault find... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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