Gazzar Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 I was trying to think if our modern car has a servo or not. But couldn't be bothered to look at the moment. I remember the Bentley had a Morris Minor master cylinder, which always amused me, but it did have a Citroen system as well, the Morris part was just there to provide pedal feel. What you can learn when you have a chat! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 There are hybrid systems, like the horrible one on the Defender and Discovery II, which used vacuum servos through a valve block, with an electric pump module for the ABS. I haven’t taken a close look, but I’m not sure they have an accumulator, which may be why they feel like the brakes are grinding when the ABS cuts in, and why the pedal vibrates and it has a horrible noise, as well as the system’s comparative poor performance to the accumulator equipped power brakes of the RRC and P38. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 36 minutes ago, Gazzar said: I was trying to think if our modern car has a servo or not. But couldn't be bothered to look at the moment. I remember the Bentley had a Morris Minor master cylinder, which always amused me, but it did have a Citroen system as well, the Morris part was just there to provide pedal feel. What you can learn when you have a chat! My Audi had no vacuum servo, but a hydraulic pump built into the PAS pump, that then used a hydraulic accumulator and servo to assist the brakes. The RRC and P38 have electric pump doing the hydraulic pumping, and then uses an accumulator and abs block as the servo. Lots of different flavours i ended up going to vacuum servo on my Audi, as replacing the pump, servo and accumulator would cost you the thick end of £1500! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 https://www.knowyourparts.com/technical-resources/brakes-and-brake-components/hydro-boost-the-non-vacuum-booster/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I suddenly remembered there was a good chat about which servo and cylinder back in March - might be worth sticking a link in: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted July 18, 2020 Author Share Posted July 18, 2020 I just can't reach to getting the Zues front kit this month so will save most of the money up and get it next month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigj66 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Cornish Rattler said: I just can't reach to getting the Zues front kit this month so will save most of the money up and get it next month They’ve just put their prices up too 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted July 18, 2020 Author Share Posted July 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Bigj66 said: They’ve just put their prices up too 🤦♂️ Yeah they don't open weekends to order as you have to ring them to place an order and wasn't sure if the price they was advertising it with was with V.A.T or not but after looking on their web site it doesn't include V.A.T so was £580 so £700 now but still cheaper than the Heystee ones though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xychix Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) I am/was very happy with my zeus kit in my series III 109 also have a: - defender 90 master cylinder - hella IP28 pump for vacuum (I believe from some Volvo...) - https://www.paddockspares.com/16x6-5-wolf-rim-tubeless-white.html are the rims I've fitted. if only I could drive.... Edited July 20, 2020 by xychix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 My new brakepads arrive today : At £ 22 + VAT worth putting a few on the shelf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigj66 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 I’m still waiting to hear back from them about my rims 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzar Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 10 hours ago, xychix said: I am/was very happy with my zeus kit in my series III 109 also have a: - defender 90 master cylinder - hella IP28 pump for vacuum (I believe from some Volvo...) - https://www.paddockspares.com/16x6-5-wolf-rim-tubeless-white.html are the rims I've fitted. if only I could drive.... Useful! Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigj66 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 For anyone researching this conversion, this is the point that the clash between the caliper and the standard ‘L’ profile rim occurs. The score mark is visible to the left of the rivets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 The zeus kit looks to me like a total non starter for the reasons stated; No series wheels on a series? And non standard consumables. It means you are stuck with them for consumables for ever. Apart from the fact that Zeus could dissapear . It just does not make sense to me. When the Heystee kit has an option that uses standard landrover consumables and allows you to fit standard wheels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigj66 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, Daan said: The zeus kit looks to me like a total non starter for the reasons stated; No series wheels on a series? And non standard consumables. It means you are stuck with them for consumables for ever. Apart from the fact that Zeus could dissapear . It just does not make sense to me. When the Heystee kit has an option that uses standard landrover consumables and allows you to fit standard wheels. The only query I have with the Heystee kit is whether the metric hub they provide is the same depth as the RRC one that I’ve used to convert my axle to CVs. I’ve emailed them to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 22 hours ago, Daan said: The zeus kit looks to me like a total non starter for the reasons stated; No series wheels on a series? And non standard consumables. It means you are stuck with them for consumables for ever. Apart from the fact that Zeus could dissapear . It just does not make sense to me. When the Heystee kit has an option that uses standard landrover consumables and allows you to fit standard wheels. I get what you are saying Daan i thought the same thing but although the Heystee kit is better made its twice the price and you only get the conversion kit which doesn't come with calipers, disc's, pad's, and everything else to fit them which could be another few hundred quid on top so thinking when i get the Zues kit i will buy a couple of sets of disc's and try and sorce pad's locally if not buy a couple of sets off them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Cornish Rattler said: I get what you are saying Daan i thought the same thing but although the Heystee kit is better made its twice the price and you only get the conversion kit which doesn't come with calipers, disc's, pad's, and everything else to fit them which could be another few hundred quid on top so thinking when i get the Zues kit i will buy a couple of sets of disc's and try and sorce pad's locally if not buy a couple of sets off them. The Zeus kit comes with everything and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share Posted August 17, 2020 Just bought the Zeus front disc brake kit. Can't wait to fit it 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landrover17H Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) I have the Santana PS10 based kit. After the shock to the credit-card, very much doubt you'll regret the discs, and you'll definitely not regret them in daily use. You might regret the rim choice the Zues kit forces though. If a weekend toy, discs are still nice, however more for willy-waving than practical reality. Drums need 'doing' every 4-5 months, and if you're not making the miles, you'll not see the consistency and maintenance advantages over properly set-up drums. Doubt a weekend toy will need the drums touched for nearer 2-3 years. However regardless of how you use them, if you've the pennies, discs and servo to match, this makes a definite improvement. Edited August 17, 2020 by Landrover17H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Landrover17H said: I have the Santana PS10 based kit. After the shock to the credit-card, very much doubt you'll regret the discs, and you'll definitely not regret them in daily use. You might regret the rim choice the Zues kit forces though. If a weekend toy, discs are still nice, however more for willy-waving than practical reality. Drums need 'doing' every 4-5 months, and if you're not making the miles, you'll not see the consistency and maintenance advantages over properly set-up drums. Doubt a weekend toy will need the drums touched for nearer 2-3 years. However regardless of how you use them, if you've the pennies, discs and servo to match, this makes a definite improvement. Yeah its not an everyday car just a weekend car but most weekends it can cover 300 miles doing metal detecting trips so getting used a fair bit 😀 Edited August 17, 2020 by Cornish Rattler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share Posted August 22, 2020 Kit not arrived yet but they did say it will be sent out either this week or next week as they was in the middle of moving buildings so once it arrives I will post pic's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Have Fun fitting it ! Will be nice to have it all new !! Yes - I have 30 mm Spacers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 Nice one I can't wait now, how are the brakes compared to std brakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Predictable. Bit better braking and less hassle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Rattler Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 On 8/23/2020 at 2:22 PM, Arjan said: Have Fun fitting it ! Will be nice to have it all new !! Yes - I have 30 mm Spacers Hi Arjan, would you know if it's possible to fit the caliper plates so the calipers are facing more upward or do they have to fit as in your pic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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