Popular Post miketomcat Posted October 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2021 Previously I had a double garage, then I moved and had a single garage (but didn't have any cars in the one). Now I've moved again and I have this At the bottom of the garden. It's 4.9m X 3m, very tired, I can't get cars to it and it's not big enough. I have zero money to spend on it, but don't have enough room for my tools let alone be able to work in there. There is a triangle of space behind it extending 2m on one side and 3m on the other. So plan A was buy or build a wooden shed at the back of it and knock through. Great idea but I can't afford a new one or the materials at the moment and second hand ones are normally rotten or worse. The wife isn't keen on plan A because we're planning to stay here a while and doesn't want it done twice so she instigated plan B. Plan B find a concrete sectional garage and replace existing. I can't take existing down till I have somewhere to put the contents, so I debate how etc. Meanwhile the wife finds a garage on eBay already dismantled, no roof but a huge £1 buy it now and it's relitively local. Three trips with my box trailer and it's fill my driveway. The next problem is the concrete at the back of the shed is rough and short in several areas. Those of professional disposition look away now, I know I should rip it all up and replace with new but I can't take down the existing shed, I can't afford a new slab and it's 40m from the nearest access. So I've extended the current concrete by hand where I can and needed. I've then started to construct the prefab. This is the back wall, start of the sides and roof frame. Mike 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Excellent, in my experience you do what you have to do, only you can live your life however good, bad, rich or poor that may be, if what you're doing gets you where you want to go then that's job done for me, looking forward to progress updates regards Stephen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Agree entirely , great start Mike . Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 Some more pics of progress to date. I need to find some cheap roofing, I'd really like the insulated metal roofing sheets but suspect it'll just be regular sheets and a membrane to keep the condensation to a minimum. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 The roofing on my Gosport garage was metal sheets but they have a sort of thin felt glued to the back to keep condensation down - doesn't keep you any warmer but does appear to stop drippage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 I spoke to the builder on the farm at work he said he used membrane under a metal roof years ago and it worked really well. As you say it won't be any warmer but it's cheap. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Twig Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) Did exactly that on my old tin shed, condensation was horrendous so took roof off, had some left over roofing membrane from doing the house so put that on, then put roof back on, jobs a good un Edited October 31, 2021 by A Twig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 Good to know someone else that's done it. If I can sort a cheap way of insulating the roof I will. The insulated roof sheets do come up second hand but if not I'll go membrane then tin or possibly cement, I can always push insulation up later. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonimouse Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Metal is most likely to be cheaper at the moment. 12mm shuttering play is £40 a sheet! If you need steel trusses I might be able to help - but it will involve a journey to north of me. I'd also drop James a text, as he often knows of barn roofing.. Also DM Angus Norrish - he's a useful source of stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve200TDi Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Awesome! Good work Mike! Everyone has a way, better keep an eye out for free stuff on Facebook and Friday ad (Although when I search on Friday Ad, nothing comes up for me?!) I'm also designing a shed to go in a sunken corner of the garden, it'll house Land Rover parts, so was tempting to put a thread up on hear, I'm going to source all the materials myself and build it to my own design, on a budget. Steve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveturnbull Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 I'm always on the hunt for free building materials. A good source is when people are having a re-roof / extension and all the often quite decent old timber gets ripped off and dumped in the garden then advertised as 'fire wood'. I've rescued and built all sorts out of it over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 I've adapted the single garage metal trusses to give me the span with some 4x1 they seem strong enough. I'm planning to add two longitudinals to pick up on the original wall attachment, that should stiffen it all up nicely. I can add these till the new roof is on and the old is removed though. Once I've got both walls up then I really will need to find some roofing, most is either not enough, to far away or really long lengths (would need to borrow a trailer). Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 I've been managing to get a post and some panels in most evenings. The really tight side just needs 4 more panels and the corner post, but I can't do those panels on my own as lifting 30kg of concrete above my head is troublesome. The other side needs a post panels and corner post so hopefully I can see this off at the weekend. Though I really should change a gearbox first. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Thinking of the roof Mike, have a look on Facebook Market place.... see a lot of roofing bits come up on there, including insulated roof panels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveturnbull Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Here's my free materials win for the day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger110 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 de nailing that lot will keep you busy! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 Only managed to move some of the panels and posts from one end of the garden to the other tonight. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 Hopefully I've managed to find some cheap roofing sheets second hand. With a bit of luck collecting them tomorrow just need to sort some membrane and get my finger out. Mike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De Ranged Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 A few yrs back I picked up about 10ton of stripped long run industrial roofing for about $1800 got it from an industrial roofing company, picked up straight from site.... over half I took straight to the scrappy's, was bent or rusty.... I got $1200 back for that, the rest I cut short lengths.... enough to cover a 12 x 12m shed and I cashed in the offcuts from cutting the good bits for another $300 Might be an option for you, if you can invest the time to do this Oh back then $3NZD = 1 Pound lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 Three walls are complete now. I need to make up three extended roof trusses ready for the roof unfortunately I can't fit them until I take the roof of the existing shed. I've also discovered the existing shed is squiffy as one wall finishes bang on the front face the other protrudes about 100mm. I will need to concrete across the front to take the front wall but that maybe next year now as I need to take the existing shed front down to do this. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 Something else I need some thought/ideas on is floor. From what I can see/guess the shed is on a concrete pad however it's about 150mm lower than the surrounding concrete including the bits I've added to put the new walls on. The current shed floor is on 150mm joists then something (I assume planks) and laminate flooring on top. It is roughly the same height as the surrounding concrete. I very much doubt any of it has any kind of damp proofing. So my ideas are lay some damp proof membrane the float a couple of inches of concrete over the top back filling the lower part (the concrete would have to be mixed by hand). Whilst at the Haynes museum I noted the had a paving slab floor in one area so I could go membrane sand and slabs. My father suggested leaving the shed floor in the lower section and laying a vinyl floor over the lot. Suggestions and comments welcome. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 A couple of inches of concrete's going to be quite weak isn't it? I'm fairly sure when I've done concrete bits it's worked out almost as cheap to get it delivered by a mixer truck (and waaaay faster / less work), and they will do tougher mixes with fibres in etc. for very little extra. Also, as taught to me by the last chap who delivered concrete - a wheelie bin is far superior to wheelbarrow for moving wet concrete. Shout if you need a hand one weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonr Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Mike - why are you not going for a Fibreglass roof? (or has your day-job changed?) If the matting is still too expensive - what about using something else? In the olden days, all kinds of things were used with resin to make a stiff board - cotton, wool blankets, even paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted November 14, 2021 Author Share Posted November 14, 2021 I don't do much fibreglass these days, apart from fixing plastic cars from time to time. I was planning on a fibre glass roof, I have a roll of Matt and resin is around £100 for 25kg gel is over double that but the absolute killer was 9mm OSB it was £450. The metal sheets I'm picking up tomorrow are second hand but more than I need at £150 and a roll of membrane I can get for about £50. My total spend so far is £480 including the roof and thats already more than I can justify at the moment. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaklander Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 6 hours ago, FridgeFreezer said: a wheelie bin is far superior to wheelbarrow for moving wet concrete Surely not? A proper builder's barrow, with a nose on which to up-end it, has got to be easier than tipping a wheelie bin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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