Boothy Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 There is little to beat a Saley winch with twin speed pump/motor arrangement, there has only ever been one failure where two Land-rovers were being pulled an impossibly steep bank and the rigging gave which caused a massive shock loading (don't forget 2Land-Rovers) and then the gear set was modified so that it will never happen again. It stops instantly, has 2 gears, free-spool, sealed for life bearings and can take easily 250foot of 12mm rope, comes with any length of drum, is very competitively priced, and is by far the best hydraulic winch on the market, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 PTO on steroids... I don't suppose there is any more info on it anywhere? Just being nosey tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Its a Konig driven from the LandRover pto winch drop box iirc , more to the point tho its fixed to probably one of the lightest challenge capable Land Rovers around . Daan's setup is rather nice cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Cheers, steve, yes its a Koenig in 9:1 ratio, like here: http://www.koenigwin...in-english.html I run it from a superwinch PTO, which has been beefed up with a bigger shaft and a double chain. I have fitted a discbrake for lowering out as well. I can also work the freespool with a lever from inside the cab. Propshaft is from a freelander. It has epic power and will pull for days on end. I am convinced that a PTO is the only thing that works for continues use. Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Very nice Daan, cheers for the info. You have a very well thought out motor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenstream Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Daan Have you got any close ups of the disc brake ? I suppose its a homemade jobby ? Morten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I dont have a picture handy at the moment. I did design the disc and had it lasercut out of stainless plate. I will try to dig out a picyy later. The winch also weighs 25 kg, half that of a gigglepin. at the back, I run an EP9, which weighs the same. I dont run any extra batteries, which can add a further 50 kg, if you run 24 V. In all, the weight saving compared to most challenge trucks, the winches save a 100 kg. Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenstream Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I do know that this kind of a high jack, but Daan, have you made some kind of mechanism that automatically activates the discbrake or do you have to operate it manually ? Morten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean f Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 There is little to beat a Saley winch with twin speed pump/motor arrangement, there has only ever been one failure where two Land-rovers were being pulled an impossibly steep bank and the rigging gave which caused a massive shock loading (don't forget 2Land-Rovers) and then the gear set was modified so that it will never happen again. It stops instantly, has 2 gears, free-spool, sealed for life bearings and can take easily 250foot of 12mm rope, comes with any length of drum, is very competitively priced, and is by far the best hydraulic winch on the market, period. Absolutely cannot fault the customer service either, I didn't even know about the gear failure till I was contacted and asked to send back the old gear set for an upgrade for free. Thats after the sort of failure that probable would have totally destroyed any other winch or in many cases just torn it off the front of the vehicle. Service and help absolutely great all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Daan Have you got any close ups of the disc brake ? I suppose its a homemade jobby ? Morten Here: it is operated manually, but on a ratchet, so you only need to release to lower down. Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenstream Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Thanks Daan ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Redwinch hydra on the right . i would only go back to electric for non competitive offroading. I run a 2 speed Warrior red winch, you dont need the warranty as it wont break simples :-) id also run the single terror. i was lucky to get the extended drum for the warrior but you can get it all for the terrior or the challenger, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 got fed up with replacing batts , motors alternators.. but i think its safe to say its the drive system and pump that makes a hydra setup a bit the same for electric winches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 i didnt like PTO either as no drive assit, hydra pulls all day same speed not fast to start and slow as the batts drain etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLineMike Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Redwinch hydra on the right . i would only go back to electric for non competitive offroading. I run a 2 speed Warrior red winch, you dont need the warranty as it wont break simples :-) id also run the single terror. i was lucky to get the extended drum for the warrior but you can get it all for the terrior or the challenger, ** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will4x4 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 i havent serviced my saley hydro winch since i have had it. in terms of setting up its really not difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 i didnt like PTO either as no drive assit Entirely incorrect. Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 explain then Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 That video looked more about available traction than speed of the winch judging buy the variation in vehicle speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 explain then Daan I always drive assist while winching. The winch is not quite wheelspeed, but not miles off like a conventional PTO winch (Which is 1/5 th of the speed of the koenig). If I didn't use the wheels, the plasma cables would never last as long as they do now. Also, while winching from an anchor, you are unlikely to have enough of holding force to pull the car out by the winch alone. I use the early x-eng anchor with great succes. Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 i saw a system where you disengage drive to engage the pto. maybe just that type of PTO system but I presume they were all like it, hence my post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 i saw a system where you disengage drive to engage the pto........ The PTO systems I have seen engage the PTO by pulling a knob next to the handbrake lever, you are supposed to put the transfer box in neutral but that is only to stop the wheels turning, it has no effect on the PTO, so you can of course leave it in low and have drive assist (but with very mismatched wheel/winch speeds). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbj Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 I always drive assist while winching. The winch is not quite wheelspeed, but not miles off like a conventional PTO winch (Which is 1/5 th of the speed of the koenig). If I didn't use the wheels, the plasma cables would never last as long as they do now. Also, while winching from an anchor, you are unlikely to have enough of holding force to pull the car out by the winch alone. I use the early x-eng anchor with great succes. Daan Must agree with Daan, though I use steelwire. Have been using PTO Koenig winches since 1992, and now have a 9:1 like Daans. Diff is 4,75:1 Here is a video of my 19 year old daughter winching up in 1.gear. Have tried 2. gear and that is fast, but will need more anchor. We allways driveassist for the same reasons as Daan, that you don't put too much stress at the winchcable and the winch itself. https://plus.google.com/photos/111388938395217619086/albums/5645611160277007537/5645678293738944210?banner=pwa&gpsrc=pwrd1#photos/111388938395217619086/albums/5645611160277007537/5645678293738944210?banner=pwa&gpsrc=pwrd1 Hope this works Lars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honitonhobbit Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Might I add another flavour to the mix? Red Winches Hornet.... A twin electric motor for the 21st century Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenstream Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Hi Lars Thats looking very good - you do know that I'm gonna need one for the RRDDLW . Morten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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