Anderzander Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 10mm 😂🤩 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 27 minutes ago, Anderzander said: 10mm 😂🤩 Yeah, not going anywhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Bowie69 said: Yeah, not going anywhere! You and me in agreeance there regards Stephen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 For once I agree with the heavyweight engineering - mog axles are a huge sprung weight and you're adding about 4-6" of leverage in the portal box offset (so like going up 8-12" diameter in the tyre) plus presumably you're not going to be running a set of 7.50's on them when it's done, so the huge extra weight plus huge extra leverage on the suspension links needs to be accounted for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) Lower shock mounts bit of a pain as they need to be in and around the cast section of the axle so need to pick up on available bolt points as appose to good old welding amazing how much extra time goes into fabrication when you dont just want to weld on In position Now the other side Also in position and tack welded Finished lower shock support now to make the other side regards Stephen Edited August 14, 2020 by Stellaghost Add photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 14 hours ago, FridgeFreezer said: For once I agree with the heavyweight engineering - mog axles are a huge sprung weight and you're adding about 4-6" of leverage in the portal box offset (so like going up 8-12" diameter in the tyre) plus presumably you're not going to be running a set of 7.50's on them when it's done, so the huge extra weight plus huge extra leverage on the suspension links needs to be accounted for. Absolutely, looks perfectly suited. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnoK Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 On 8/13/2020 at 11:05 PM, FridgeFreezer said: For once I agree with the heavyweight engineering - mog axles are a huge sprung weight and you're adding about 4-6" of leverage in the portal box offset (so like going up 8-12" diameter in the tyre) plus presumably you're not going to be running a set of 7.50's on them when it's done, so the huge extra weight plus huge extra leverage on the suspension links needs to be accounted for. Shouldn't that be UNsprung weight? Quote In a ground vehicle with a suspension, the unsprung mass (or the unsprung weight) is the mass of the suspension, wheels or tracks (as applicable), and other components directly connected to them, rather than supported by the suspension (the mass of the body and other components supported by the suspension is the sprung mass). Unsprung mass includes the mass of components such as the wheel axles, wheel bearings, wheel hubs, tires, and a portion of the weight of driveshafts, springs, shock absorbers, and suspension links. If the vehicle's brakes are mounted outboard (i.e., within the wheel), their mass (weight) is also considered part of the unsprung mass. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsprung_mass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 1 hour ago, JohnnoK said: Shouldn't that be UNsprung weight? Yes - but we knew what he meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted August 15, 2020 Author Share Posted August 15, 2020 That's the other side done just need holes for shocker pins regards Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 11 hours ago, Anderzander said: Yes - but we knew what he meant. Oh good, clearly I was under-caffeinated when I wrote that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MECCANO Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Anymore progress? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 Thinking but not visible unfortunately regards Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 I know absolutely nothing to do with portal axles but they are part of the portal axle / refit of my lightweight regards Stephen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MECCANO Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 very tidy. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Could this thread become about the whole vehicle ? I’d love to read about the whole thing coming together ... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Anderzander said: Could this thread become about the whole vehicle ? I’d love to read about the whole thing coming together ... Me too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 (edited) Seeing as you've asked so nicely.....................possibly, depends if mods allow me to or will I have to make up another thread for the other stuff I'm planning on doing ..... not that it will be overly exciting !! Regards Stephen Edited September 17, 2020 by Stellaghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 32 minutes ago, Stellaghost said: Seeing as you've asked so nicely.....................possibly, depends if mods allow me to or will I have to make up another thread for the other stuff I'm planning on doing ..... not that it will be overly exciting !! Regards Stephen I reckon it will be! All builds are exciting! (Apart from mine with the glacial pace ). Up to you if you want to carry on here or start a new thread I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Surely just a rename of this thread will work let's face it, it's in the right section. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted September 18, 2020 Author Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) So have decided to keep the same title there will be a lot covered within this thread that is not axles but pertinent to the conversion for example the rear body length will need to be extended due to the fact I cut 10" out of it in my quest to minimize rear overhang as shown in the photos How it should be How it is In hindsight possibly a bad decision around 30yrs ago Suspension and chassis mods will all be part of this thread for obvious reasons General tidying up and other stuff I will put in separate threads as I did with my front and rear winch refurb but the general idea is to give it a long overdue tidy up but not to a ridiculously high standard as when I play I tend to play hard and you dont get much harder than modified trials which is what I used to do with it So future jobs apart from the obvious Scratch build a new vent panel just undecided as to whether to do it in mild steel, stainless or aluminium Bulkhead steelwork to renew Explore making my own disc brake hand brake set up New seats and harnesses Possibly make new wings as mine are getting tired Stuff I've already done is coiled it, fitted a v8 now 200tdi , self made dislocation on suspension, front shocks located outside springs, made a rear cross member out of 5" C section ( tin worm getting nowhere with it after 25 year ) 3mm thick stainless steel petrol tank ( you can Jack off it ) with external fill conversion , self made internal roll cage which mounts similar to military type so I can still use rear tub and fitted an lt77 That's about it sorry if I put you to sleep regards Stephen Edited September 18, 2020 by Stellaghost 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C18RCH Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Great thread. I wanted to do this on my 110 (mog axles) but quickly realised I didn’t have the time to commit to the build. Is the second picture with the axles fitted. What does the truck look like height wise with them on? how many hours do you think it’s taken to get to this point? Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, C18RCH said: Great thread. Thanks I wanted to do this on my 110 (mog axles) but quickly realised I didn’t have the time to commit to the build. Its not just time the project is also expensive and if like me you want to fabricate most if not all the stuff yourself then costs go even deeper for example I bought a lathe to help with the conversion cannot do it without one. Is the second picture with the axles fitted. What does the truck look like height wise with them on? The second picture is my lightweight on coils with a 2" lift the first picture is bog standard series 2a on leafs. Axles not ready yet still loads of fabrication and more importantly thinking how many hours do you think it’s taken to get to this point? Would not like to guess for example it took 10 / 12 hours on the lathe to make each disc so near enough a weeks work to make all 4 converting the rims to fit landrover hub and tubeless took about a couple of weeks you get the picture somebody once said to me for every hours work there is about 3 / 4 hours thinking time Rich Hope that answers your questions, most people will also tell you its more about the build than anything else, there is an immense satisfaction in doing it, length of time is of no real consequence its ready when its ready regards Stephen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Stellaghost said: Hope that answers your questions, most people will also tell you its more about the build than anything else, there is an immense satisfaction in doing it, length of time is of no real consequence its ready when its ready regards Stephen It is amazing how the time gets eaten up, even on the little things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaghost Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, landroversforever said: It is amazing how the time gets eaten up, even on the little things. Not a truer word said regards Stephen Edited September 19, 2020 by Stellaghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missingsid Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 2 hours ago, C18RCH said: Great thread. I wanted to do this on my 110 (mog axles) but quickly realised I didn’t have the time to commit to the build. Is the second picture with the axles fitted. What does the truck look like height wise with them on? how many hours do you think it’s taken to get to this point? Rich From what I can see the first is a std leaf sprung lightweight, the second a coil sprung RRC lightweight hybrid (same body?). Prosumably this thread is about putting the 404 axles on the hybrid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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