white90 Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Lets have your tips please as I fugging hate this job! just had to stab it with a screw driver as all other ham fisted attempts failed... got so dark I have left putting oil in it till tomorrow. Also found Power steering box still weeping Front pinion seal leaking and front radius arm bushes need replacing So a bluddy succesful day all in (not) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 I use a chain whip around the base of the filter (where it is strongest and harder to squash) works a treat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honitonhobbit Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 (edited) Tony, Pete Read at Continental Cars does very nice Sealey belt wrench with 3/8 and 1/2 inch drives - works very well - costs about 6 quid. I have just bought another one as I gave mine to a mate... Fits into the depths of a Tdi bay very nicely Edited November 28, 2005 by honitonhobbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diff Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Lets have your tips please as I fugging hate this job!just had to stab it with a screw driver as all other ham fisted attempts failed... got so dark I have left putting oil in it till tomorrow. Also found Power steering box still weeping Front pinion seal leaking and front radius arm bushes need replacing So a bluddy succesful day all in (not) I recomend a decent three legged geared oil filter remover. It fits on your half inch drive socket set. As you try to loosen the filter the action through the internal gears causes the legs to grip tighter. Like this: http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.js...=98381&id=48077 but not necessarily that make. I think mine is a draper one. Or a chain wrench(heavy duty). - I have got one I made from a motorcycle chain and and old 1/2 inch socket. Loosen the filter, then put a plastic bag over it(one without holes!), and holding the filter 'through' the bag, remove the filter. Any drips and spills will go into the bag with the filter. Regards, Diff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02GF74 Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Lets have your tips please as I fugging hate this job!just had to stab it with a screw driver as all other ham fisted attempts failed... got so dark I have left putting oil in it till tomorrow. Also found Power steering box still weeping Front pinion seal leaking and front radius arm bushes need replacing So a bluddy succesful day all in (not) leaks - that is normal. you worry when there are no leaks. I have used the screw driver method, not my no. 1 choice. I have manage to unscrew by hand, one hand on the filter, sometimes necessary to put cloth around filter to get a grip, then second hand over the other hand to grip that harder. If can be very difficult to undo with much cursing. And it hurts. When in US, I bought 2 gator grips - basically a tough rubber band that has a wrench type thing., This will do it but sod's law means there is not enough room to get the gator grip in and then swing it. In those instances, you can buy a large socket that fits over the multi-faced part of the oil filter. Not used one of these but I really should get one of those. Also I have put jubilee clips, joining 2 together then hammer or screwdriver to rotate it - not always successful tho' Always before starting this job, run engine to temperature then throw 1/2 pint of used oil onto the drive so you don't feel bad when it happens, as inevitably it does, later. If all fails, take it to the garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 I have 2, a 3 legged filter remover I just bought (haven't tried it on an oil filter yet but it gets a #kin tight grip on anything else when I was "testing") and a strap wrench which is a web strap about 1" across and a bar thing that goes onto a ratchet (3/8" one end 1/2" the other) as you turn the ratchet it tightens its grip and then continuing to turn rotates the filter - good but only works if the filter isn't oily or greasy. Both mine are draper items I think I also have something called a "boa constrictor" which I guess is what Yanks would call a 'gator grip' - good for holding shockers while you do the nut up, loosing the top of my beer barrels and all sorts of other things so I would think filters would be OK Boa constrictor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpb Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 I have always used my hands or a large pair of Water Pump Pliers. The filter distorts a bit but usually moves. I've also got a "boa constrictor" like Steve but I haven't used it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honitonhobbit Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 I also use a largish cheap funnel with a length of 1" pipe about three feet long fitted into a five litre container. Mind you I also have access to a four poster when I do this... A job I have to do on Thursday.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 have you got one of those handy difflock oil draining things Tony to at least make the oil change ok?? I need to get something better too, last filter change had me resorting to the screwdriver method too. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 I use a draper filter undoing tool, a length of webbing on a socket thingy, piece of cake never have trouble removing the oil filter and mines in the middle of my engine mount Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 I also use a largish cheap funnel with a length of 1" pipe about three feet long fitted into a five litre container. You are only draining 5l of oil out of a Tdi? Unusual. Lets have your tips please as I fugging hate this job!just had to stab it with a screw driver as all other ham fisted attempts failed... got so dark I have left putting oil in it till tomorrow. Also found Power steering box still weeping Front pinion seal leaking and front radius arm bushes need replacing So a bluddy succesful day all in (not) HA! 300Tdi are easy, not like 200Tdi ones, they are vertical so you can get them off without getting half a pint of used 10W/40 in your armpit. You don't know how lucky you are! I use a three legged type too. Attached to all of my extention bars I can spin the filter off and hope that it falls into the oil catcher tray whilst standing well clear of the whole operation and twisting the bar (also on a lift). I changed the filter on Jenny's Rover the other day. Lifted the bonnet, reached in, turned it off by hand and let it drop into the oil tray. I did have to drive it up onto some pieces 4x2 in order to get the clearance underneath for an oil tray though. Anyway, if you think you have trouble you should try buying a house, nightmare! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honitonhobbit Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Anyway, if you think you have trouble you should try buying a house, nightmare! Chris Ha! You should try completely re-building it once you have bought it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 I use the chain type of filter wrench, but that's because I use it to remove Citroen bluddy stupid suspension spheres as well I've never used the legged type as they look very bulky and some cars have the filter very close the engine block or in even worse locations than on L/R's. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR90 Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Normally gator grip if I can't do it by hand and when that won't do it I use a three legged grip with a 1/2" drive, great bit of kit. Fits easy on the 90 but on the Disco I need to jack the vehicle up a bit for clearance. I like the plastic bag idea. Will try that next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landyandy Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 I use the old rubber glove method. On with the marigolds, grab a hold of the filter and hey presto! the filter should turn. In reply to the Difflock oil removal sump plug thingy, I wouldn't recomend using as they seem to be made from softish metal and when the protective cap is screwed on they stick out quite a way. So if you knocked one on a rock it could easily break resulting in completely loosing your engine oil. Nice!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 i use one of three methods 1. chain on a loop attached to 1/2 drive 2. 3/4" web strap loop on 1/2 drive or 3. not sure what its called but its a rubber strap that you feed around the filter and back through the handle. handle goes perpendicular to the filter and off it comes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Tony, consider yourself very lucky, on the 2.8 the filter is in the most God aweful place; right up against the brakelines. Its a bit of a mission even trying to get the filter wrench on. I use a chain one and its never failed. I prefer the three legged ones, though, but there isn't the space on the 2.8. Also, to make you feel better the list of remedial jobs for me is: one new wing (had a small tree issue last time I was out), both pinion seal starting to weap, stearing box to change, one slightly moist swivel seal, the transferbox inspection plate seal (the only one I didn't change grrrrr), difflock to sort (not engaging fully), new radius arm bushes, a tyre to clean out and a snorkel to fix (jubilee clips make one hell of a bang when they snap ). I'm up north so its waiting for me when I get back home in a couple of weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeagent Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 i use one of the three legged geared type filter removers. i've never found a filter that it wont remove, even got the one off my mates tractor that they had spent about two hours trying to remove.... mines made by BERGEN, about £6 from the shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted November 29, 2005 Author Share Posted November 29, 2005 Thanks All The Boa Constictor hasn't the room to work I found. so I'm going to buy the webbing/3 legged ones for next time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkieB Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 This is what I got recently, nice'n'chearful at €5, screwing in the spindle tightens the metal strap; although it could be a struggle when space is limited I suppose; it's theoretical until A. the weather improves B. the engine works to heat up the oil Ha, honestly though, you don't need to drain oil from Land Rovers, it just .. you know .. goes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Reedy Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 *smug mode* I just make sure I don't over tighten the filter in the first place. A quick clean with a rag and it comes off by hand. Never had one come undone and dump the oil yet. *smug mode off* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted November 29, 2005 Author Share Posted November 29, 2005 Thanks Ben very helpful tip there I wasn't aware I was over tightening it but I'll be more aware from now on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 The best tool I've used for this is oil filter pliers. See Link. Oil filter Pliers When my brother bought his Disco & I bought my wifes both were ridiculously tight, on my bro's I snapped a chain wrench. These pliers had it off in seconds. On the tightnening tip, as soon as the seal makes contact, 1/4 of a turn is plenty. Don't forget to put a smear of oil on the seal Brett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
was a nice truck? Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 When i was much younger and single without mortgage nad dog, I screwed my soul (and wallet )up really tight and bought a "snap on" Filter wrench. Have never Known it to fail and once had a knucle bar and 3 feet of scaffold tube on it .Dont ask.. Dave w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Watty Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 on a 300tdi it's a good idea to use a couple of plastic bags when unscrewing the filter so you can drop the filter directly into it without oil going up your arm put the bags round the filter (once you've loosened it) then unscrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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