dantd5 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I did travel somewhere in Africa for my hols and saw many-a-defenders-90-n-110s! Was amazed. And they look preddy (pretty) new too! I simply opened my mouth in awe ! I managed to ask a couple of fellows if someone could sell me their Landy. I got to hear that some of the boys get them stolen B) from the UK and ship them to Africa! I got shocked! Most likely one place to start searching is the docks that ship these fenders? Si more grease to your elbows at getting them. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantd5 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 that is weird. Defenders are very rarely stolen in South Africa!? Hello.. In South Africa from the tales we hear, people have the laws in their own hands. A thief caught could be burnt alive!! No kidding there.. No paper works!! Full Jaki Chang action- No time to regret your deed!! I have done many tranfares around Africa on duty and you bet thieves really suffer for their deeds. I witnessed a man ablaze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naks Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Hello.. In South Africa from the tales we hear, people have the laws in their own hands. A thief caught could be burnt alive!! No kidding there.. No paper works!! Full Jaki Chang action- No time to regret your deed!! I have done many tranfares around Africa on duty and you bet thieves really suffer for their deeds. I witnessed a man ablaze yeah... and there are elephants and lions roaming in my backyard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Hello.. In South Africa from the tales we hear, people have the laws in their own hands. A thief caught could be burnt alive!! No kidding there.. No paper works!! Full Jaki Chang action- No time to regret your deed!! I have done many tranfares around Africa on duty and you bet thieves really suffer for their deeds. I witnessed a man ablaze That should be introduced here. Would save the police a lot of paperwork, and send a good message out to would-be tealeafs. Same for kiddy fiddlers too. And if they were innocent, well, they shouldn't have been doing something suspicious to give people reason to think they're guilty then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris123 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Most of you who have done trips south of Morocco probably know this point in the no mans land between moroccco and mauritania. It's a "used" car dealership, which because it's in no-mans land is completely unregulated. You go there, place your order, two weeks later your desired car turns up. You can then get it registered in Mauritania for a small fee, and import it to wherever you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantd5 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 yeah... and there are elephants and lions roaming in my backyard Sure I got Polar bears playing ice hockey in my garden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Not disputing that that pikies are responsible for every crime within miles of them and their justification for genocide IMHO In this current climate and very poor resale on 4x4's some people are tempted into doing insurance jobs out of desperation especially in rural areas. on the flip side you would have thought that the poor sales of parts would drive the price of second hand parts down enough to make the risk of dealing with stolen parts not worth the aggro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Well to actually reply to Si's origional question i can offer the following info which has happened to both my truck, and my mates who lived nextdoor. In both cases access was gained by cutting the rubber seal around the small window to the left of the rear door and the glass was then removed allowing a hand to be passed to the inside to unlock the back door from the inside. Mine was also broken into by literally forcing the front doors open, as its not possible to open a series rear door from the inside. In both cases they attempted to steal the vehicle and we found steer shrouds etc broken and wiring ripped apart. Both thefts were foiled as both vehicels were well immobilised, with simple things like rotor arms removed, wiring to coils, fuel pumps etc left disconnected, and battery isolators removed. We were aware that there was a problem in the area, so the trucks were never left in an "operational" state. I've now moved house so dont have the problem any more. My mate has bought a sodding great wheel clamp and now leaves his truck wheel clamped which so far as solved the problem. HTH Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raschippo Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 SOME WHEN IN THE LAST 3 DAYS 2 X DEFENDER 90'S HAVE BEEN SLOLEN FROM OUT YARD IN HERTFORDSHIRE ONE WAS A REFURBISHED 300TDI VAN WITH A XS INTERIOR 6 SEATS WITH A CUBBY BOX, ON A B REG THE COLOUR BLUE THE OTHER WAS A UNREFURBISHED 2.5 DIESEL 90 STATIONWAGON WITH A BULL BAR, ROOF RACK AND LIGHT GUARDS.THE COLOUR BLUE WITH BLACK DOORS AND BONNET. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yostumpy Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Please could siwhite clarify the position of the Police in this GREY area. I've discussed this with a few coppers in the past, and they dont seem to understand the words 'stolen vehicle', they say 'its not stolen, its been TWOC ed'(taken without consent) and they would be unwilling, should they come across this vehicle during their shift to even call it in, as the paperwork involved is lengthy, and then, once they've called it in, they have to remain with the TWOC ed vehicle until it's recovered,which could be hours, when they COULD be out there catching criminals. Mine was stolen,about 3 years ago and to be fair kent police were quite good, and it was recovered about 5 miles from my house about 2 months later, BUT this vehicle was being used for ferrying stolen goods back from london, I was getting parkimg tickets after it was stolen. Why cant traffic wardens have an ANPR camera on thier hats, then vehicles would flag up as 'stolen' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raschippo Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 I'd say stolen because we are in the middle of nowhere, and this had to be a pre planned crime, Bring back the Tories, give us a chance to shoot tresspesers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat_pending Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 SOME WHEN IN THE LAST 3 DAYS 2 X DEFENDER 90'S HAVE BEEN SLOLEN FROM OUT YARD IN HERTFORDSHIRE ONE WAS A REFURBISHED 300TDI VAN WITH A XS INTERIOR 6 SEATS WITH A CUBBY BOX, ON A B REG THE COLOUR BLUE THE OTHER WAS A UNREFURBISHED 2.5 DIESEL 90 STATIONWAGON WITH A BULL BAR, ROOF RACK AND LIGHT GUARDS.THE COLOUR BLUE WITH BLACK DOORS AND BONNET. That's worrying. Where abouts in Herts is your yard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 That's worrying. Where abouts in Herts is your yard? I was wondering the same. Perhaps a few more details (numberplate) and more pics and we could look out for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treebloke Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 What legitimate use could there be for these?. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/anti-tracking-car-gps-jammer-blocker-anti-tracker_W0QQitemZ160391898550QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CE_GPS_Accessories_Software_ET?hash=item25581a25b6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoltan Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 What legitimate use could there be for these?. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/anti-tracking-car-gps-jammer-blocker-anti-tracker_W0QQitemZ160391898550QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CE_GPS_Accessories_Software_ET?hash=item25581a25b6 Hopefully it is a honeypot set up for catch-a-pikey week I bet it really works for 99p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raschippo Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 I was wondering the same. Perhaps a few more details (numberplate) and more pics and we could look out for them. Brickendon near hertford. The older one was C645GVH, The refurbished one was a B reg and i'll get the details from the office tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Please could siwhite clarify the position of the Police in this GREY area. I've discussed this with a few coppers in the past, and they dont seem to understand the words 'stolen vehicle', they say 'its not stolen, its been TWOC ed'(taken without consent) and they would be unwilling, should they come across this vehicle during their shift to even call it in, as the paperwork involved is lengthy, and then, once they've called it in, they have to remain with the TWOC ed vehicle until it's recovered,which could be hours, when they COULD be out there catching criminals. Mine was stolen,about 3 years ago and to be fair kent police were quite good, and it was recovered about 5 miles from my house about 2 months later, BUT this vehicle was being used for ferrying stolen goods back from london, I was getting parkimg tickets after it was stolen. Why cant traffic wardens have an ANPR camera on thier hats, then vehicles would flag up as 'stolen' When a vehicle is reported stolen, it will be recorded as a "theft of motor vehicle." If the vehicle is found and recovered, the crime is amended to a "taking motor vehicle without consent." This is due to the definition of a theft (whether car or not): Theft is the dishonest appropriation of property belonging to another, with the intention to permanently deprive." Once the car is found, the "permanently deprive" bit is no longer valid, as the owner now has the vehicle back. It is all down to Home Office Counting Rules (which are really interesting... ). If an officer comes across a stolen vehicle and fails to call it in, then I would say that is a dereliction of duty. I may be mistaken, but the only paperwork I can think of would be a short statement by the PC detailing the find, a short statement off the loser, sign a bit of paper for the recovery agent, and possibly write a note on the crime report. Many forces have an office in each area who deal with most of the paperwork associated with what is commonly referred to as "volume crime." With regards to traffic wardens, when they were employed by the Police, they would've checked the vehicle status, but as most of them are council-run, I believe they are only entitled to certain information from the DVLA to enable them to collect the unpaid fines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 When a vehicle is reported stolen, it will be recorded as a "theft of motor vehicle." If the vehicle is found and recovered, the crime is amended to a "taking motor vehicle without consent." This is due to the definition of a theft (whether car or not): Theft is the dishonest appropriation of property belonging to another, with the intention to permanently deprive." Once the car is found, the "permanently deprive" bit is no longer valid, as the owner now has the vehicle back. It is all down to Home Office Counting Rules (which are really interesting... ). So, assuming I stole a Landrover, does my 'intention to permanently deprive' no longer count if the car is recovered? Of course (hypothetically) I intended to permanently deprive. IIRC, TWOC was devised as a means to 'do' the scrotes who only ever intended to 'joyride' the cars they stole, in other words, theft could not be proved as they never had the 'intention to permanently deprive' to rightful owner. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkrentfitter Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 a suffolk land rover club member had an m reg 110 stolen the other night,don,t know what security it had fitted,had winch,expensive roof rack,bfg mud tyres,i beleive they removed the small window in the back panel to access the door lock,go to www.slroc.com,then click on the forum,listed in general chat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajh Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Have any fitted with a mech lock been stolen yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 a suffolk land rover club member had an m reg 110 stolen the other night,don,t know what security it had fitted,had winch,expensive roof rack,bfg mud tyres,i beleive they removed the small window in the back panel to access the door lock,go to www.slroc.com,then click on the forum,listed in general chat. This one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 So, assuming I stole a Landrover, does my 'intention to permanently deprive' no longer count if the car is recovered? Of course (hypothetically) I intended to permanently deprive. IIRC, TWOC was devised as a means to 'do' the scrotes who only ever intended to 'joyride' the cars they stole, in other words, theft could not be proved as they never had the 'intention to permanently deprive' to rightful owner. Chris Yes and yes* *I think. I don't deal with the ins and outs of crime recording, just trying to remember some training from the mid 90's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 So, assuming I stole a Landrover, does my 'intention to permanently deprive' no longer count if the car is recovered? Of course (hypothetically) I intended to permanently deprive. IIRC, TWOC was devised as a means to 'do' the scrotes who only ever intended to 'joyride' the cars they stole, in other words, theft could not be proved as they never had the 'intention to permanently deprive' to rightful owner. Chris Chris, totally correct. Without getting too theoretical, the little scrote's intention has not changed - the police have just done a better job than him! The crime is identical... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raschippo Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 I was wondering the same. Perhaps a few more details (numberplate) and more pics and we could look out for them. Brickendon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoltan Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 a suffolk land rover club member had an m reg 110 stolen the other night,don,t know what security it had fitted,had winch,expensive roof rack,bfg mud tyres,i beleive they removed the small window in the back panel to access the door lock,go to www.slroc.com,then click on the forum,listed in general chat. The addition of a dead lock would may this much more difficult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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