Hybrid_From_Hell Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Hi All. I'm in process of modifying / rebuilding my front winch bumper. 2 things 1. Was wondering about what to shove on the front Winch Bumper for recovery points - the swivelly things, some 25mm bar bent into a hoop or what ideas have you for it ? 2. I saw these,.... they look seriously HD / poss good ? but I have no idea who makes them / where they are from / if any good anyone know / have any views ? Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Look like a bling version of truck trailer lashing eyes, sure you can get some weld-on ones from a truck parts supplier if you need. Worried your truck isn't heavy enough then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 Haha ha ha haaa ha .................. Just remember "I know where you live" Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJIbex Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 but I have no idea who makes them / where they are from Nige Nige, A quick search turned up Here Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Good for a straight pull but can't help wondering what the forces would be on a seriously sideways pull? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Hi All.I'm in process of modifying / rebuilding my front winch bumper. 2 things 1. Was wondering about what to shove on the front Winch Bumper for recovery points - the swivelly things, some 25mm bar bent into a hoop or what ideas have you for it ? 2. I saw these,.... they look seriously HD / poss good ? but I have no idea who makes them / where they are from / if any good anyone know / have any views ? Nige what's wrong with a 3.5tonne jaw/pin hitch on each side, that's whats on my 110's front bumper for recovery/pulley block use never had any problem with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidlandy Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 they look a little like ferry lashing rings from a trailer http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h...sa%3DN%26um%3D1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoggyN Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Nige,A quick search turned up Here Mark Cool link. I wasted a good few minutes tarting up that Jeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Train Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 what's wrong with a 3.5tonne jaw/pin hitch on each side, that's whats on my 110's front bumper for recovery/pulley block use never had any problem with them I had a pair of them on the front of the 6x6. The lugs were cut off and they were welded on in line with the chassis legs with the pin horizontal. Worked fine for me both as winching and towing points with a bridle and also for an A frame for rigid towing and also made good jacking points for the hi lift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 A company called albert jagger who do EVERYTHING for coachbuilders is who you want to speak to, they do many versions on that theme. Will. (better brace the ickle card though!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest noggy Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I had a pair of them on the front of the 6x6. The lugs were cut off and they were welded on in line with the chassis legs with the pin horizontal. Worked fine for me both as winching and towing points with a bridle and also for an A frame for rigid towing and also made good jacking points for the hi lift. what else did your amazing 6x6 have? jeez is was hundreds of years ago, get with the future. plus welding towing jaws is not healthy practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 what else did your amazing 6x6 have? jeez is was hundreds of years ago, get with the future.plus welding towing jaws is not healthy practice. The 200Tdi was hundreds of years ago as well but some people apparently still like them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webbsite Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Dear HFH sir, I purchased a pair of these from Rugged Ridge for my JK Wrangler (yes a sin I know) but I was only able to get them in 'Stainless' (now powder coated black) unless I bought a complete bumper. Yes they are very strong and as long as you mount them with HT bolts in line with the chassis rails i dont think even you would rip them off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicks90 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Yes they are very strong and as long as you mount them with HT bolts in line with the chassis rails i dont think even you would rip them off. now there's a direct challenge if i ever saw one!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangeyRover Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Clang, clang, clang WTF that noise? Having lived near a similar fitting on HMS Intrepid I can guarantee that sooner or later it will get on your nerves. I like the idea of a pin for mounting pulleys etc though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted July 29, 2009 Author Share Posted July 29, 2009 Clang, clang, clang WTF that noise? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Hadn't thought of that, good thought I have been wondering about the swivelly recovery type hooks, I am really uncomfortable using these sorts of things, I have never really liked them, whilst they look good I do wonder of the safety when my 14000 Lbs Hydro Winch is used in vengence, ......and add a snatch block into the equation ? The FF Swivelly units say tested, but not as to tested to what safety level and if that lifting or pulling having had a quick look the shackle they are using looks 3 tons ish Thoughts for swivelly recovery units / options would be useful, anyone views re the above please ? Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exmoor Beast Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 You probably wouldn't keep the JATE ringy things on there perminently anyway Nige so they wouldn't clang. Why not just weld some really hefty lugs that could take normal JATE rings? or just normal D Shackles for that matter, you could have them in various places to suit different recoverys... Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover598 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I'd sugest you go for the bent ring of round bar option as it very easy to make / use, especially when the truck i burried in mud or underwater, as you can attach the winch hook with just one hand and if you make a large radius bend it's less likey to fill up with mud. Just my opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodoctor Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 when i did my bumper i used two eyes off a lightweight with a shackle through them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Thoughts for swivelly recovery units / options would be useful, anyone views re the above please ? My view is a definate nono, having codriven a car with these, they are a major PITFA. Imagine your car in a weird position on a slippery hill, and your codriver hanging onto a tree to try to connect the winch cable to your swively hook: rather than just hook the cable on with one hand, like you normally would, you need 2 hands. So your codriver is hanging on to the tree with one hand, while hooking on with his 2 other hands. It doesn't happen bascially. Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I agree with Mr "Mine's longer than yours" Lang. I had 16mm loops on the RR and never bent them. Have 20mm on the 90 (because that's what I had lying around) but haven't tested them yet. Simple, low tech, easy to see if they are struggling (will deform significantly before they let go) so tick all most* of the boxes for you. * They are also lightweight so they miss out on that count I suppose :P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streaky Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Those points look like the standard ones from the Hummer H3 (another Mopar product same as J33p). Do you get them in the UK? Not sure if they are rated though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 when i did my bumper i used two eyes off a lightweight with a shackle through them You know those eyes are for lifting only, not recovery so only really designed to lift a corner of a ltwt (~500kg) rather than endure a snatch recovery (forces in the tonnes). Back on topic, I'm with David - welded hoops or standard 3.5t pin hitches, neither of which will rattle. I've also seen oversize D shackles with the pin removed welded to the side of the chassis rail to give a recovery loop, although I'm not sure how good an idea that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clbarclay Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Ridging steel loops. Simple, robust, very strong in most directions of pull (set at an angle a la D44 competition bumpers), easy to use (the don't flop out of the way when working one handed) and cost effective. The only disadvantage I can think of is you need a shackle to attach anything other than a hook which can be annoying, depending how impatient you are. Clevis hitches have the advantages over a ridgid loop of not needing shackles, so can be quicker and readily avalible of the shelf (minimal fabrication). However the pins can be an issue, I've managed pushed them before out while driving over obsticles and clips to stop them coming out are a pain if its sunk in mud. Some clevis hitches don't have much space so if you want to attach more than one rope at a time you still need a shackle. Nato hitches are another tried and tested option, though I have known these jam shut when used with straps, there the strap tries to come out through the gap between top and bottom jaws and typical winch hooks won't attach directly to them because of the size of the jaws. What advanatges are there to those loops on the jeep in the origional post other than flopping down out of the way when not in use? My preferance would be for either a simple loop or clevis hitch if reguarly attaching items without hooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_d Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Keep it simple comes to mind so I would favour the bent and welded loop. When I've seen these fitted they tend to be mounted with the bar of the loop vertical which I don't understand. In a straight pull it makes no difference if the loop is vertical or horizontal. In the case of a side or angled pull a horizontal loop would be stronger so that is the way I would have expected to see them mounted. Perhaps my lack of winch experience is missing some other vital element of the pull. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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