dirtyninety Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I'm looking for a set of axles that run the opposite way to LR axles. It's for a rear engined buggy project. Does anybody have an idea? Failing that, any direct replacement lt230 reverse direction boxes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Don't Volvos and Mogs run backwards? Perhaps that's corrected for in the diff though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Volvo's don't run backwards. If there's any of Andy's Moglite build still on the forum, that was rear-engined and used Mog axles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyEvans Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 you could turn the diff upside down in the axle. would just need 2 new cut out in the axle case flange and a new diff cover to alow the crown wheel clearence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19MART82 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 http://www.rakeway.co.uk/page12.html ive seen the odd one pop up on ebay from timr to time too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 what about using reverse cut ring and pinion gears ... http://www.rakeway.co.uk/page12.html and wow Rakeway might be able to machine some nice gear but web design is definitely not their thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19MART82 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 what about using reverse cut ring and pinion gears ...and wow Rakeway might be able to machine some nice gear but web design is definitely not their thing bit confusing isnt it lol,there normally pretty helpfull on the phone though as for the reverse cut gears they dont change the direction the axle runs,its to do with the tooth contact between the crown wheel and pinion to make it stronger,some h/d crown wheel and pinion sets you buy (kam i think) will state front axle or rear because 1 set will be reverse cut (front i think) to give maximum strength from the contact of the gears,its just the way the teeth are cut but the crown wheel will still rotate the same way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyninety Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 Rakeway boxes are good, but they're remote, thus adding more length to what's already a long drive chain. V8 - zf4hp22. Not sure how reverse cut r n p s would help as surely they still spin the same way? Need some comp safari boys input! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19MART82 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 are you going down the comp safari route now chris? just wondered for what reason you want to mount the engine in the rear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketomcat Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Could you use P38 axles as the diff is on the other side you could turn them upside down. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 you could turn the diff upside down in the axle. would just need 2 new cut out in the axle case flange and a new diff cover to alow the crown wheel clearence. I'm pretty sure thats how Alvin Smith done his on the various StrangeRovers back in the 80's seems the easiest way to me , all std parts etc etc don't forget the build thread if you do it cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off Road Toad Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 A reverse cut Front gear put into the rear is driving the opposite way to standard. It will achieve the same thing as turning the diff upside down. Turning the diff upside down is pikey and not at all helpful to lubrication of the tail bearing as the oil path is compromised IMHO. The axle direction is determined by the gearbox, turning the axle over isn't going to make the car drive the opposite direction! Maybe I'm missing the point I'm not sure :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 ...perhaps there is more to it than that , as you will have to line up the tbox outputs too cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19MART82 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 i stand corrected appologies moose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyninety Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 So, if i use reverse rings and pinions and swap the diffs front to rear. Then switch the axle tubes left for right to get the diff at the correct side of the axle. Seems a hell of a lot of work. Im sure theyre is a jap or american axle, where the ring is already on the other side of the pinion with the correct cut. So, that seems like a hell of a lot of work, and perhaps a little too much precision needed for myself to do it. Other than the rakeway remote box, and the milner remote box is there any bolt on reverse direction replacement for the LT230? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 .....The axle direction is determined by the gearbox, turning the axle over isn't going to make the car drive the opposite direction! Maybe I'm missing the point I'm not sure :-) Erm ... it is isn't it? Surely turning the axle over is just effectively turning the diff upside down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Freak Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Turn axle upside down weld mounts on the other side and rotate the engine 180 degrees to fit in the back will sort the problem... If thinking of leaving engine facing forwards it'll be a little more complex.... Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zim Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 What's wrong with flipping the axles ? That's what we're doing. Others have done so without problem. The rakeway transfer box is nice but remote and only has one ratio. Fine if you use a 6L90 like saley, but it worried me with a 3 or 4 speed. Milner also make a reverse. OR Use a normal transfer box, with a prop from what would normally be the front output to a remote rakeway transfer that is mounted at the front of the engine then to your axles. This will give you 2 ratios. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Just putting reverse cut gears is not going to make the axle run a different way.... you're just driving on the opposite side of the teeth! The pinion needs to be the other side of the crownwheel for the direction to be changed... either by flipping the whole axle or just the diff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off Road Toad Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 You could just move the steering wheel in to the boot and turn the seat round , - I know, hat and coat :-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Smith Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Back in my AWDC days, yes a long long time ago. It was common to do thiis. Yes you need to turn the diff upside down to effectively move the pinion to the other side of the crownwheel. The rear axle you can just flip over, because being at the other end of the car (what was the front) it will now have the diff on the correct side, then weld on new spring mounts etc. For the front axle you can do the same but you will then need to turn the swivel housings the other way up. Unfortunately you will now need to park the car upside down on the ceiling to drain the oil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Smith Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Of course when I say the other end of the car, I mean in relation to the engine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Don't G wagon axles run backwards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Double post gremlin is alive and well I see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishbosh Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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