deep Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, Happyoldgit said: Sorry I am hardly new to the history and ethos behind the various models so you are lecturing the wrong person. I'm too tired to dance around on the head of a pin though, therefore I will thank you for your comments will let my pearl's of wisdom can stand. Sorry about that tiredness. Wishing you good rest and good days ahead. Edited January 7, 2021 by deep 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyoldgit Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 20 hours ago, deep said: Sorry about that tiredness. Wishing you good rest and good days ahead. Thank you. I'm sorry, my fault, looks like I drew the short fuse recently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jonathan M Hanson Posted January 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2021 First post here, but I just finished reviewing the new Defender for an upcoming Wheels Afield magazine. I own a 1984 Defender 110, so I retain great fondness for the original. With that said, I realized from the first rumors on that the new one would be a different vehicle. There was no way JLR was going to build another bolt-together oxcart, which had been steadily losing market share for two decades or more. Likewise, they were never going to retire the Defender name. That's too bad in a way, because if they'd named this vehicle anything else Land Rover fans would have greeted it rapturously, I think. It's really not just a re-bodied Disco. The extra bias toward off-road capability was clear to me, yet it retained 90 percent of the Disco's (or Range Rover's) pavement manners. The cargo area is ideal for packing full of gear, and the weight capacity is hundreds of pounds greater than that of the Jeep Wrangler Unlimited. While it might not quite match a fully locked Rubicon on trails, in Rock Crawl mode it went over everything I pointed it at. Believe me, I didn't want to like the thing (the styling still leaves me cold except for the utterly brilliant interior), but both my wife and I agreed we'd happily have one . . . as long as we could keep our '84 110 as well. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 I saw one for only the second time yesterday. However, this time I got a close look and got to sit in it (the owner had just bought my lovely old 110 - buckets of tears - and he was feeling benevolent). After spending forever looking at pictures and reading about them, it did look and almost feel familiar, which was bizarre. The exterior is fatter than I expected, and "imbalanced" as the fat is mostly low down. The interior looked and felt neater than in the pictures but that television instrument panel looks like a joke. Yuk yuk. They say you can get used to anything (loss of job, kin, limbs etc.) but I couldn't imagine ever getting used to that. Those two points aside, I do get how people who bought station wagon versions of the old Defender would like the new one. I might give it five years and see how they go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan M Hanson Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Deep, when you say instrument panel, do you mean the cluster in front of the driver? It didn't take me long to love it. The digital "analog" tach and speedo are perfectly legible in any conditions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 That's the one. I just wasn't prepared for how horrible it is. I think it's because it's just two dimensional, like a gaudy picture instead of the real thing. It might be more fun when people start hacking them though! That's not to deny other people the right to like them, of course. Each to his own! 37 degrees Fahrenheit? Blow that for a joke! Allegedly mid-summer here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escape Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 49 minutes ago, deep said: That's the one. I just wasn't prepared for how horrible it is. I think it's because it's just two dimensional, like a gaudy picture instead of the real thing. Exactly, like something from an old computer game. I'll take bouncy old school dials all day long. 🙂 Unfortunately, these are probably cheaper and/or people are willing to pay for the novelty, as almost all modern cars seem to have them... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 21 minutes ago, Escape said: Exactly, like something from an old computer game. I'll take bouncy old school dials all day long. 🙂 Unfortunately, these are probably cheaper and/or people are willing to pay for the novelty, as almost all modern cars seem to have them... Bet they’re cheaper these days. Haven’t got to have two different speedos for different markets etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan M Hanson Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I understand the aesthetic dislike, but for me the clarity in any conditions—even late afternoon glare from behind—overrode that. And what is the purpose of instrumentation, after all, but to provide clear data? The real eye opener to me is that 6,800 rpm redline . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I find the digital dash is excellent. A very clear and crisp picture. You can choose several gauge layouts, and display various different things in the other areas - maps/navigation, media, 4x4 info etc. plus as alluded to above I could change the speedo to km/h if driving in Europe for example. A fixed analog dash is available on the base model too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I have no problems with a digital dash. Have had one in the Merc for 4 years now. It's also much more flexible in what it shows, and very useful when crossing into the UK: at the touch of a menu setting the speed/odometer/everything goes from km to miles. I'd prefer the fully digital dash over the abomination that is the half-digital half-analog thing the base spec Defender has. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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deep Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 I do like the way they are chattering away while the car cruises up some gnarly sections. Something Land Rovers have been good at since the first Range Rover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 On 2/2/2021 at 11:14 AM, elbekko said: I have no problems with a digital dash. Have had one in the Merc for 4 years now. It's also much more flexible in what it shows, and very useful when crossing into the UK: at the touch of a menu setting the speed/odometer/everything goes from km to miles. I'd prefer the fully digital dash over the abomination that is the half-digital half-analog thing the base spec Defender has. I think a digital dash is great, as long as the controls for it are mechanical rather than touch screen. The ability to change from mph to kmh, add or remove other gauges and information displays and customise the information the driver needs in specific conditions is very useful. It’s only the touch screen controls for all the systems that I oppose, lacking tactile feed back, a good grip or tactile reference in bumpy conditions and where you can’t afford to look at the screen, and disabling a multitude of systems should that one interface develop a fault. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) 4 door crew cab ?????????? https://www.facebook.com/groups/738805982917493/permalink/2233313780133365/ Edited February 21, 2021 by western Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 I think that’s just a photoshop based on some comments from JLR that it would be ‘technically possible’. It would seem a little strange to me to cover up the front shape of the car too unless they’re planning a facelift too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Just a bad photoshop I’m afraid. Other than Autocar mockups and some suggestions from LR people there has been nothing confirmed about a pickup version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escape Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Let's hope it's a photoshop, it looks like a Navara / Rodeo or such, just with a shortened wheelbase, certainly not like a Defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naks Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 https://www.topgear.com/car-news/british/check-out-new-ps100k-v8-powered-land-rover-defender " ... Land Rover has stuck its tried and tested 5.0-litre supercharged V8 in the new Defender. Available as either a two-door short-wheelbase ‘90’ or four-door long-wheelbase ‘110’, the V8 Defender makes 518bhp, accelerates to 60mph in a shade under five seconds and tops out at 149mph. Fuel economy is predictably shocking – just 19.5mpg and 327g/km of CO2. Happily the Defender’s chassis and suspension have been beefed-up to cope with the added power, though not, says Land Rover, to the detriment of its off-road ability. Larger diameter solid anti-roll bars aim to reduce, erm, roll. Then there’s the new “Electronic Active Rear Differential”, the stiffer suspension bushes, bespoke spring and damper rates and new ‘Dynamic’ mode for the Terrain Response system that helps drivers “exploit the more dynamic character” of the V8 “on tarmac and loose surfaces”. ..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Ah, the ‘more money than sense’ edition has arrived. I bet it’s a lot of fun, but the £100k bill would take a while to stop hurting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty_wingnut Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) So the V8 edition is marginally better performance wise than a 4.4 TDV8 L322...... Edited February 25, 2021 by rusty_wingnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 I bet it isn't road compromised in any way at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 On 22” rims? No sir, not at all 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 hour ago, rusty_wingnut said: So the V8 edition is marginally better performance wise than a 4.4 TDV8 L322...... Marginally, more like significantly. Just as the Supercharged L322 is also a lot quicker than the TDV8. I'm not knocking the diesel, it is a fab engine. Parkers say 8.6 sec 0-60 for the 3.6 and 7.5 sec 0-60mph for the 4.4 TDV8. parkers.co.uk/land-rover/range-rover/estate-2002/specs/ If the Defender is under 5 sec 0-60mph that is a HUGE difference. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Thinking about this, the P400, as its name suggests, has 400 hp, is the V8 such an upgrade? In 110 form it has a 0-60 of 6.4s, so assume the 90 would edge close to, if not under 6 seconds, the V8 just a bit faster than that, but you are paying 20-30K more for it, and massive, massive tax and fuel bills to add to that. I guess what I am saying, is what is the point? But then personally, I guess that is how I feel about most modern cars, but more so with the Pretender. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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