landroversforever Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 11 hours ago, Stellaghost said: Must be a trick of the light because the front bumper on that looks colossal, it would be one of the first things I would want to change to improve approach angle, could always put some 404's under it I suppose......... Regards Stephen Don’t think it’s any trick of the light! They’ve looked huge in other pictures too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escape Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Pretty much the same on the recent Wrangler. Could be something to do with pedestrian safety? I agree it looks terrible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Probably to have a modicum of crumple zone before a ladder chassis impales someone in a side impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointFive Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 The plastics look like they're already fading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) A review from the USA after a few hours driving in varied conditions by Jonathan Hanson. https://www.exploringoverland.com/overland-tech-travel/2023/1/6/ineos-grenadier-first-drive My favourite line? "The first owner to install a four-inch lift and 35-inch tires will be missing the point as far as I’m concerned." Edited January 8, 2023 by jeremy996 Adding picture 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L19MUD Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 A shame we won't be getting this https://www.topgear.com/car-news/suvs/theres-new-five-door-suzuki-jimny-and-you-cant-have-it 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Found in the wilds of the Internet, a Supplier Bulletin, Partner Edition, August 2021. A good read; I rather enjoyed it; the extended supplier list on pages 4 and 5 was very informative, explaining where all the bits are coming from. No wonder they have delays in build Grenadier-Supplier-Bulletin-Partner-Edition-2021.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 On 1/8/2023 at 8:22 AM, elbekko said: Probably to have a modicum of crumple zone before a ladder chassis impales someone in a side impact. Suspect the bumper size is crash related, as someone else said, check out the Euro version of the Jeep Wrangler JK and JL. Not sure it is specifically ladder chassis related, plenty of other ladder chassis vehicles in production still. Pick up trucks, vans, SUV's... Just to add further. If you look at a late Puma Defender model the bumper is also pretty big with plastic gladding. The main difference on the Ineos (and Jeeps) is there is no air gap between the bumper and vehicle. Which makes it look deeper than it would otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 The bumper did strike me as oversized, but the same is true on the late Jeeps. As said above, it could be to provide enough absorption to better protect the chassis than the simple Defender bumper did, or to better fend off trees and other obstacles without the use of now (widely) outlawed bull bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 The no gap thing is for aero, emissions reduction etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Bowie69 said: The no gap thing is for aero, emissions reduction etc. The USA spec Jeep Wrangler has a gap on the bumper, only the Euro ones don't. So I suspect it probably isn't emissions as US is normally stricter on those. I wonder if it is more along the lines of not allowing pedestrians to be able to get limbs trapped or something silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 They added them a few years ago: I removed the JL Wrangler Sport "Euro" Close Out Cover Bumper Pieces | Jeep Wrangler Forums (JL / JLU) - Rubicon, Sahara, Sport, 4xe, 392 - JLwranglerforums.com Could well be pedestrian safety as well, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) Posh blog/youtube video related to the article i posted above - Overland Journal. Favourite comment - "original Defender to "Scotsdale" Defender" Edited January 19, 2023 by jeremy996 Adding stuff as I watch a video nearly an hour long! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) These popped up on another forum, copyright David Dafr, test version of the long wheelbase doublecab pickup. Edited January 19, 2023 by jeremy996 finger trouble - double posted picture 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Not sure about that rear end, it looks terrified of something behind it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 So, how long until someone starts selling a less fugly mock-Defender front end for these? It still look like the lovechild of an Austin Gypsy and all the plastic tat RDX sell. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, FridgeFreezer said: So, how long until someone starts selling a less fugly mock-Defender front end for these? It still look like the lovechild of an Austin Gypsy and all the plastic tat RDX sell. Have you seen one in real life ? I thought the front looks much better in the real life than it does in photos. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointFive Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Looks a lot nicer in profile as a pick up. The fussiness around the rear quarter is neatened up substantially. I hope they'll do a proper canvas top. Are there any plans for a single cab version or is that too niche/too L200-market for them to compete? Before I decide if they've finally made one I like, I'm going to need to see how it fairs in the industry standard 'an HGV fell over on it' crash test. I hear Defender2s excel in this regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 I think they’ve always said it wouldn’t get a 5 star NCAP - because that now requires a lot of electronic driver-assist stuff - like autonomous braking and lane change etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 That double cab looks great. Maybe a little blunt around the back of the cab, but far nicer looking overall than any of the jap options. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 12 hours ago, elbekko said: Not sure about that rear end, it looks terrified of something behind it Before I read your comment, I was thinking that back end looks better than pretty much any pickup on the market! Taste is a very personal thing. I personally dislike crew cab pickups in general. Great for certain purposes but too much of a compromise for most things. Yet I look at this and it just looks so very functional, as if the makers aren't even bothering going for the "my car is a truck" market. I quite like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 The YouTube video of the USA Expedition Portal having their initial drive of the Grenadier of-road in North America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 I suppose this compares more to a 130DC than a 110DC, the latter of which always seemed a bit pointless to me, hobbled in rear interior space and load space alike. This Grenadier isn’t pretty to me, but it does look very functional. John’s joking aside, some aesthetic elements of the Grenadier are letting its looks down. In general terms, I think it looks good, but certain details like grilles, bumpers, lighting and that prototype tailgate seem a bit cheap, like they were borrowed from Mahindra. I’m sure there will be both genuine and aftermarket cosmetic options and mods available in short order. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 12 hours ago, deep said: Before I read your comment, I was thinking that back end looks better than pretty much any pickup on the market! Taste is a very personal thing. I personally dislike crew cab pickups in general. Great for certain purposes but too much of a compromise for most things. Yet I look at this and it just looks so very functional, as if the makers aren't even bothering going for the "my car is a truck" market. I quite like that. It's just the lights, really. Replace those with a normal light unit and it'll look like any other pickup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Other than big Americandually pickups I can’t think of any with any shape in the side panels? They’re all just big open and fairly flat. Hard to tell without being next to another brand…. But also possibly slightly lower sided? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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