FridgeFreezer Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Why not just use the GEMS trigger wheel at the flywheel? It's supposed to be compatible with MS. GEMS is 60-2, EDIS wants 36-1. It is compatible with MS if you use direct coil drive without the EDIS module but that brings its own set of issues which EDIS is still an easier solution to for most IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Sure you lose the back-up factor of EDIS, but it shouldn't make much difference otherwise if MS is just telling EDIS when to spark, right? EDIS shouldn't care it isn't getting a trigger input if it's getting it from MS I'd think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Multitasking for LR Owners : TIG College + Project pipework = Chuffed The end "Lip" has a 3mm "Ring" which was TIGged End on to give the rubber the "Lip" for a more secure fit. Now need to weld this assemble back onto the air Box Spark Plug leads also now completed ta to Jon W Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbeaumont Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Sure you lose the back-up factor of EDIS, but it shouldn't make much difference otherwise if MS is just telling EDIS when to spark, right? EDIS shouldn't care it isn't getting a trigger input if it's getting it from MS I'd think. EDIS takes the timing pulse from the VR sensor on the crankshaft, and a signal from the ECU (Megasquirt in this case) telling what advance to run. Without the signal from the ECU it'll fall back to (IIRC) a steady 10oBTDC, but without the crank timing signal it'll do nothing at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 I see. That's quite silly, I imagined MS would have full control. Couldn't you let MS also supply the trigger input in whatever format EDIS wants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRecklessEngineer Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 I see. That's quite silly, I imagined MS would have full control. Couldn't you let MS also supply the trigger input in whatever format EDIS wants? It's not. MS does have full control over the timing. It doesn't have to worry about exactly when each spark event will occur - just the position of it relative to TDC. It also moves all the coil drivers and VR sensing circuitry into one unit that is away (electrically) from the ECU so you don't have to worry about EMI or voltage spikes etc. And, you take advantage of the millions spent by Ford in developing such an ignition system - it is pretty bomb proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted May 19, 2012 Author Share Posted May 19, 2012 Righty Ho then Update I have decided to spend some serious time on the project and move it on The only way I could do this was to lock myself in the workshop, when SWMBO decided she was going to have a holiday with her sister (I don't really do holidays the "Other parts of the world" I have either seen and was unimpressed or don't wnat to see cos they are Unimpressive) so SWMBO Away = Me + take away menus that deliver A week so far has seen a mass movement forward, not as much as would have hoped as much has fought me, other things I hadn't considered raised thier heads, and some things I had done not happy with, but bnow looks like this : So, whats been done ? Catch tank, modified (yet again) mounted and pipes to engine made and fitted Washer bottle fitted Pipeworks and electrics dione PAS sorted and its own snorkel sorted (was on other side) Horn sqezzed in to whats left that side Loads of fettling bracjkets etc Air box mounted, not happy this will be re done Exhaust on and air box much hours spent, not happy now all cut off :LOLL: Radiator and top and bottom mounting, fan system, Oil coller oil cooler pipes to thermostat and therostat to engine outputs Top mounting for rad, and top hose made up and ignition packs mounted plugs changed ignition leads done and a few things more I am sure Cowling, Rad pipes 2 x top god knows how many Oil control pipes - at least 4 x from the engine and loads more PAS pipes claped into made mountings and all fitted in Oil cooler Mounting fan mountings (not happy with will be redone and modified more) Wiring relaid and modified to suit wherever bits have moved to inc Washer bottle (bnow a TD5 Headlamp washer bottle fits well) all plumbed in, and much much more, loads of fiddly bits, still a fair way to go, but a huge amount done I also have next week off as well, other than picking up a new TIG Torch I'll be one it again with a vengenace More to come and the end is almost in sight now Outer wings back on tommorow with new arches and a load of other bits too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landy-Novice Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 looks good. when will we see it start up? and looks quite an expensive engine! you must get a good pension! :P runs for the door looking for cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenstream Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Hi Nige Great thread and very good workmanship ! You mentioned that you made a snorkel for the PAS and I found it on the photos. Now, why ? might be a daft question, but I havent seen this before. Cheers Morten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Hi Nige Great thread and very good workmanship ! You mentioned that you made a snorkel for the PAS and I found it on the photos. Now, why ? might be a daft question, but I havent seen this before. Cheers Morten PAS fluid will be warm, so when you stick the 90 into deep water the sudden cooling will cause it to suck water in the breather hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenstream Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share Posted June 17, 2012 Hmmmmm 2 steps forward and 1 step back Didn't like the air box, worried about sealing it / doing bolts up, and also the air flow. More I looked at it more I wasn't happy, so I have cut it up and started the MK2 unit Much happier, air will come in from the Back, and its massove so should be fine, rectangular hole will have a thick plate assembly will drilled and tapped holes welded onto it, and then a rectangular plate will be sealed and bolted in place A wholes days ferkin work ...... But happier. TIGathon to follow ! Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyw Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Looking good Nige. Thinking... seeing as you've tacked it with a MIG, why not finish with it. You have some fair sized gaps to fill there, and MIG feeds the wire nice'n'easy vs several TIG rods that you can skewer yourself on Or maybe this is a matter of wanting stainless weld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I was going to say "you're taking nearly as long as Warne" but at least you seem to be doing somethng even if it is taking things apart! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Personally I wouldn't be trying to fill those gaps even with MIG, knock the tacks out and reset to a decent tolerance. I do think it is a better/less complicated design though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 MIG'd TIG'd and a touch of Oxy/Acet to close gaps sees body welded up Now to make up drill tap and weld on base plate and top cover and then cut and weld in end entry and modify Air Filter Unit ...... and it fits - just clears the rocker cover Plug leads will be made to fit onto 4 way wire clamp welded to the face plate so thats worked out nicely - with no planning whatsoever But the multi wedge welded airbox is next for the big chop and re make Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share Posted June 24, 2012 Hmmmm Midnight Oil - literally Suz away so been in the workshop fabbing Airbox ends redone and tigged then hatch plate and mounting made and welded into place with about 30x bolts M5 and top 3mm which seems to work there is barely a Light gap when I shoved a bulb inside to see if the mounting surface was flat - Joys of Tig Gentle and controlled..... Once smeared with jolop and bolts done up will be waterproof, took an age, also wedges made and tigged together (only had 2.4mm rods so a tad blobby) but proved TIG Course a success....tube is 0.8mm so migging would have seen a F mess Much much happier with this effort, also New TIG Torch has a optional extra which is a whizzy "BackStop" rod holder + Flexible head... which means you can get the torch inside for cleaning up / tigging Beebos now as have been at this all day and into the night, will sort conn ector to air filter tommorow and have this job finally off the list ...........and the nut also has to be tigged onto the end plate for the Thor spark lead mounting which seems to work More tommorrow later today after a few hours kip Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share Posted June 24, 2012 Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Have run out of 1.2mm rods, but carried on - Air box done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landy-Novice Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 30 m5 bolts. have you found an air filter that never requires replacing? because with that many bolt, i cant see you ever replacing that soon! ;) but good work Nige. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I'm getting worried Nigel, there has been a distinct lack of 8mm or thicker plate in your latest fabrication projects. I am sure of course that you will remedy this at the earliest opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share Posted June 24, 2012 Its not the air filter box, its a box that connects to the air filter box that connects to the 3 x plenum enties : Pics didn't seem to upload last time so will try again - happy with this versus prev effort LOTS of Tiggy Practise,m run out of thin rods - they go nowwhere !! "Lid" is 3.2mm if that helps balance things ? Bolts are sacrificial to aviod threads being glopped up with paint Cannot belive this was 3 days work Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Rods.... size matters Any reason you went for paint and not passivated finished like your MS bracketry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Ross -he does want it running this side of Christmas, 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted June 25, 2012 Author Share Posted June 25, 2012 Reason ?.....I have paint in the workshop Nige ...and still can't belive this was 3 days work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Ah but if it was sent away to be done, the painting time could have been spent fixing the rest of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.