o_teunico Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Mmmmm...interesting this engine...if I go the OM606 route with my bros broken engine Discovery Tdi I could use some badges from a SEAT/FIAT 131 wich were equipped with MB diesel engine Will look like factory fitted I what car are you planning to use it? It´s for the Jeep? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic-al Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 If you can make a diesel drive like a petrol I will convert. I drive diesels every day of all types and it doesn't matter what the figures are on paper none are enjoyable to drive. You just spend your time either waiting for the turbo or snatching for the next gear. OK the twin turbos are better but not in my scope Out of interest has anyone ever supercharged one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobotMan Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 This interests me from a 'Mog 404 point of view even if it has to be NA for the width. I sense a sudden spike of interest in these on eBay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLineMike Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 ok veering marginally offtopic, what about the 2.9 5 cylinder fitted to the 312D sprinters & the ssanyung mussos? are they as tunable as easily as the om606? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyninety Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Mike, i believe that said engine can be bored out into a 3.2 beast. There was a truck that used one a couple of years ago, but i cant for the life of me who it was that used it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluespanner Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 I'm liking this idea, sounds like M57 grunt without the bull that goes with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydiesel Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 Got the car weighed in this morning, £228 for the shell and the 5 alloy wheels. That stands the engine at £132, And as a nice bonus I saved the battery as its a nearly new huge Bosch one :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Nice to see how you finance your builds That engine is looking a positive bargain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydiesel Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 Nice to see how you finance your builds That engine is looking a positive bargain! I try to make my hobbies self financing. With a bit of patience and research most second hand component can be bought in a similar way. And I still have a few of the ancilliaries to sell off the merc enginge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missingsid Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 If you can make a diesel drive like a petrol I will convert. I drive diesels every day of all types and it doesn't matter what the figures are on paper none are enjoyable to drive. You just spend your time either waiting for the turbo or snatching for the next gear. OK the twin turbos are better but not in my scope Out of interest has anyone ever supercharged one? I have 2 x V8 petrol Land Rovers and a 320d BMW and a 118 before that. The 1 Series BMW used to hang the back out on bends even at an equivalent of an 1800 engine. Both of them drive exactly like petrols unless you get caught off turbo. I used to hate Diesels until now. Trouble is with the videos is I could not live with all the black smoke. Marc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeyw Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 I am a committed petrol head, owner of multiple V8-engined vehicles, and love 'em. I had occasion to have a rental car last week for a work trip, a 62 reg Golf 2 litre Tdi. Now I don't drive a diesel very often, but I must say that I was mighty impressed with the ooomph the Golf has, even from very low rpm. Cabin noise levels at motorway speeds were very subdued, partly down to good insulation I suppose, but also due to the engine speeds in 6th gear being very low <2000 rpm. Illegal speeds could have been easily exceeded VERY quickly Waiting with interest to see what Dan does to this Merc lump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heath robinson Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 I had a blat in an Alfa 147 1.9JTD, and that went like the clappers, and were I a less responsible individual, I'm sure I'd have found myself doing 120 with very little trouble I thrashed it up and down somerset's highways, byways and motorways, and it did 55mpg!!! If it was a little prettier, I'd be tempted by one. A fiend of mine re-engined a stacked-headlight merc with a lightly tweeked 606, and that was really rather rapid. This thing sounds like it'll tear your doors off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 I have 2 x V8 petrol Land Rovers and a 320d BMW and a 118 before that. The 1 Series BMW used to hang the back out on bends even at an equivalent of an 1800 engine. Both of them drive exactly like petrols unless you get caught off turbo.I used to hate Diesels until now. Trouble is with the videos is I could not live with all the black smoke. Marc. 118d/320d is (I believe) the M47 engine from the TD4 FL, but minus the VNT. The TD4's are very lovely as diseasals go, I have a vapour-project on my mind to put one in an Elise or MGF as a commuter hack - but all the time the Freebie is running there's no point. Interesting comment about lack of dyno info below 2000rpm, I had this experience when I looked at RB26DETT lumps for the 109, it turned out that despite making spanking numbers from ~1750rpm upwards they made naff all off idle, and trundling round lugging a LR about off-road would probably kick the ar$e out of the big ends in short order. The Skyline Owners forum actually voted that the RV8 was quite hard to beat in that respect despite being a dinosaur with quite low numbers by modern standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacr2man Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 I am going a similar route with a M57 , still driving the 530D at the moment , but have the V8 out of the 110 now . Torque from go is the one thing that is a bit of a concern . although some figures for the M57 show max torque from as little as 1500rpm in some applications . The RV8 was always nice as you could engage the clutch and then bring in the torque , with the diesels you needed to get torque building and bring in the clutch after , not good for clutch life !! The version is the simpler one with 1 turbo , but will be staying with the electronics to try and get a reasonable fuel economy , its averaging 45 to 51 at the moment depending on usage . Its about the same length as the 606 and supposed to be a tad lighter than a 300tdi ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B reg 90 Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 I am going a similar route with a M57 , still driving the 530D at the moment , but have the V8 out of the 110 now . Torque from go is the one thing that is a bit of a concern . although some figures for the M57 show max torque from as little as 1500rpm in some applications . The RV8 was always nice as you could engage theclutch and then bring in the torque , with the diesels you needed to get torque building and bring in the clutch after , not good for clutch life !! The version is the simpler one with 1 turbo , but will be staying with the electronics to try and get a reasonable fuel economy , its averaging 45 to 51 at the moment depending on usage . Its about the same length as the 606 and supposed to be a tad lighter than a 300tdi ! I weighed my M57 as the same (within 5KG) as a 200 TDI. Just need to finish the blooody project........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydiesel Posted April 29, 2013 Author Share Posted April 29, 2013 I used to hate Diesels until now. Trouble is with the videos is I could not live with all the black smoke. Marc. They are running the antique Bosch P pump and at the fueling they are running at they don't de-fuel off boost overly well, this combined with the large singles and their inherent lag gives the smoke. I have fully stripped mine today, amongst other things I found the reason for its slightly poor running the second hand injection pump had been fitted 8° advanced over where it should have been. I've got a couple of snapped studs for the exhaust manifold and one of the glow plugs is very tight. I've offered up a Ve pump off a Cummins 6bt and its doable, first things on the to do list are a remote oil filter adapter and a exhaust manifold flange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyninety Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Dan, why not use the proven 603 pump, its freelyish available and is direct fitment? Get elements out an old transit 2.5 and your good for a fair amount of power. Or so I gather! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydiesel Posted April 30, 2013 Author Share Posted April 30, 2013 Dan, why not use the proven 603 pump, its freelyish available and is direct fitment? Get elements out an old transit 2.5 and your good for a fair amount of power. Or so I gather! A few reasons, when have I ever followed the well trodden path? And I think the Ve will allow a better tune with less fuel off boost, simply fitting larger elements to the 603 pump is not an easy fix, the majority of the power upgrades to be had are from rack modification, delivery valves and other internal mods, a sorted 500hp pump runs at around €1200 my solution should cut in around the £800 mark One encouraging thing is that reading what guys in the states are doing with the 6bt, they say that when they upgrade to a p pump to exceed 600hp they notice a significant decrease in throttle response. This I nice from two perspectives 1) the 6bt Ve will support 600hp (super cheap off eBay) 2) the throttle response from the 606 fitted as standard with a p pump is very good, how sharp will it be on a Ve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 What power/torque figures can be expected for a standard OM606 with a standard 603 pump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat wilson Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Around 200-250hp and 400nm+ but it varys massively from one setup to the next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 A bit OT but a merc like that here will fetch and sell top euros, and imported from the UK!! Its just sad that we cannot have opportunities like the ones you guys get in the UK. I am off to sob in a corner.................. Carry on, very intrigued with the conversion, i just love powerful diesels! would love to put one instead of the 200........... G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 A bit OT but a merc like that here will fetch and sell top euros, and imported from the UK!! Its just sad that we cannot have opportunities like the ones you guys get in the UK. I am off to sob in a corner..................Carry on, very intrigued with the conversion, i just love powerful diesels! would love to put one instead of the 200........... G You can have our opportunities if we can have your weather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Oh you can have that, its darn hot already and we are still in may!!! agrhhhhh.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRS91 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 interesting reading gents!14mm VE pump will support 650hp in a 12v 5.9 cummins so it should be plenty for a merc lump!the one youve got will be a 12mm pump and somewhere between 130-180hp rating (on the 6BT)would be interesting so see this in standard tune running a 606 with a set of injectors and a meaty VNT/VGT!couple of pointers... the pump will be governed at 2500rpm therefore you need a spring kit in the pump to bring the revs up.if you want it to rev up to similar speeds that a TDi does then a cheap fix would be to put TDi springs in the Cummins pump. also id recommend a fuel pin to anybody running a VE pump, it drops the on-boost fuelling on nicely and allows more fueling to be reached, complimenting a set of injectors nicely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o_teunico Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Around 200-250hp and 400nm+ but it varys massively from one setup to the next Mmmmmmmm...oh yes, 4.6 V8 power with electronic free diesel, like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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