Bowie69 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 The tarantular arms are upto the job, I VERY STRONGLY disagree, see my comments above, and search the forum for more comments on them from me. If you have ANY doubt about the trailing arms, look at the recovery point, do you SERIOUSLY think this is well designed or executed? As an example of the engineering knowledge and execution I would not be bolting anything from Tarantula 4x4 to my truck. Just think, when you brake hard, where the forces are in that trailing arm... and the fact that the welded in bolt came loose and then tapped out on one of mine just by doing the nyloc up, and what would have happened braking hard say from 70mph.... at best you probably roll the truck, worse you kill yourself and or someone else. Truly not worth taking the risk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I'll be sticking with standard suspension components, or those from manufacturers who can prove the strength of their products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Exactly, Retro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I VERY STRONGLY disagree, see my comments above, and search the forum for more comments on them from me. If you have ANY doubt about the trailing arms, look at the recovery point, do you SERIOUSLY think this is well designed or executed? As an example of the engineering knowledge and execution I would not be bolting anything from Tarantula 4x4 to my truck. Just think, when you brake hard, where the forces are in that trailing arm... and the fact that the welded in bolt came loose and then tapped out on one of mine just by doing the nyloc up, and what would have happened braking hard say from 70mph.... at best you probably roll the truck, worse you kill yourself and or someone else. Truly not worth taking the risk! Thought we where talking trailing amrs, I wouldnt fit the recovery point, then again, I have pulled off so called proper points by shearing the HTS bolts off, as for the arms just saying what I have seen.... ps, have seen original LR TRAILING arms snap, nothing is unbreakable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Interesting to see that RDS engineering are no longer on the web, but if you search them they are nowhere, although there are a couple of companies registered in companies house but their web site has been taken down has the power of the forums been triumphant ? have they ceased trading did trading standards get involved and shut them down? Jason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 We are talking trailing arms, and drawing a comparison to the recovery point execution and fabrication, which is frankly unsafe. I agree, original ones can snap, but you won't end up in jail if they do, however if something you bolted to your truck failed and was not fit for purpose YOU will go to jail. Search Nigel Gresham if you need to be reminded of how badly it can go wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cackshifter Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Tel, can I also suggest you make it absolutely clear which RDS Engineering you are referring to, as there seem to be several with the same or similar name that probably don't want bad press to appear in searches.. Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Badger Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 The Nigel Gresham case is slightly more a extreme situation, he had fitted two types of break caliper on his front axle, one larger than the other, hence when he braked it swerved... The fact is that the item you brought broke and is not good for what you need / want. Get it swapped and run the risk (but this should not be a RISK really as the supplier should be liable for something), or you can or just fit standard one, it's on your head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynall Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 That towing/recovery eye is almost funny in its construction. Lynall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Badger Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 ^^^^^^^ What he said, I am not a welder, but even logic / common sense suggests that it is a bit silly to assume you can hold a vehicle on blobs of weld... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I think with the eye, its possibly the fact that any sideward force on that thing will bend the plate, it would at least need some braces welding in either side is suspect. What is for sale there will sanp pretty easily, especially if the welding isnt up to much. Similar suggestions of braces were given in the recent thread regarding attaching a winch to the front of that chaps Australian Range Rover Jeep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zim Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Why not just weld a pad eye ? By weld, i mean someone who is capable to do so and knows the correct technique ! We get them welded (and inspected) all the time at work. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 They shouldn't be allowed to sell that towing eye to the public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJB Serenity Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 They shouldn't be allowed to sell that towing eye to the public. I agree, unless its made from kryptonite it must be completely unfit for purpose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Daan is quite right jjb, It's not what it's made of but it's construction. I regret to say that your inexperience in recovery is quite evident. sorry. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webbersdad Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Credit Card company. Small Claims Court. Product Liability Insurance. webbersdad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 In theory, and only in theory, if it was made of strong enough materials it would work. But in reality, it wouldn't be made of anything even remotely strong enough without costing more than a new truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 OMG Just seen that £15 recovery bolt on turd That made me shudder, I have seen far better than that let go with terrifying consequences The junk on their site is an accident waiting to happen to the uninformed who think its OK Frightening Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 In theory, and only in theory, if it was made of strong enough materials it would work. But in reality, it wouldn't be made of anything even remotely strong enough without costing more than a new truck. .....Do tell of this material then...... Sorry but this is utter tat and not worthy of the value of the paint. I am amazed that anyone would think its up to the job , radius arms or recovery points , or come to that anything else on the flashy webs*ite @ Nige , don't forget the "optional" backplate , presumably for when you use bolts when the std kit cable ties are not quite up to it cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Are you supposed to use bolts ? I just use self-tappers and copper pipe Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJB Serenity Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) Daan is quite right jjb, It's not what it's made of but it's construction. I regret to say that your inexperience in recovery is quite evident. sorry. Mo My reference to kryponite was a glib comment Mo, not one to take seriously. Kryptonite, to my knowledge, probably doesn't even exist. It was the element that gave Superman his powers. I was suggesting that unless it's as strong as 'the man of steel' himself it would be worthless. But you are absolutely correct, my experience of recovery is pretty basic so perhaps I shouldn't be commenting on here in the first place (although in my defence I did say it was unfit for purpose which is in line with everybody else's opinion). Edited February 25, 2011 by JJB Serenity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 The never put welded arms on your truck maybe going a little far, do you not think? We could run of a quick list of tried and tested arms? ( PS i run stock arms) Is it back to you get what you pay for, Well done on the trading standards, I think these types of traders need to be bumped of the market place or stick to what they are good at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 My reference to kryponite was a glib comment Mo, not one to take seriously. Kryptonite, to my knowledge, probably doesn't even exist. It was the element that gave Superman his powers. I was suggesting that unless it's as strong as 'the man of steel' himself it would be worthless. But you are absolutely correct, my experience of recovery is pretty basic so perhaps I shouldn't be commenting on here in the first place (although in my defence I did say it was unfit for purpose which is in line with everybody else's opinion). Kryponite doesn't exist ? Bugger ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Range Rover Blues Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Christ, I just had a look at that "recovery point". Oh dear! As a guide they say that one inch of weld, done propely in 3mm plate, holds about a tonne. That still doesn't make it enough though, does it? Quite frankly I wouldn't tow my Escort with something that flimsy, partly because the RS is worth too much and partly because that thing looks so rough. What proof load do we think is acceptable for a recovery eye though? I can think of winch bumpers that have welded on eyes on them and they all bolt to a chassis made of 3mm wall thickness box (approximately) So how strong should they be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Strong enough that the rope fails first. Better to have a rope flying in the air than a lump of metal on the end of the rope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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