Bowie69 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, Snagger said: BEV should have a longer lifespan. Erm, really? Design life of 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 58 minutes ago, Bowie69 said: Erm, really? Design life of 10 years. Their engines last much longer than ICE, they have simple transmissions and no clutch. The constraint is battery life, but if they are not routinely given super charges and are maintained at a charge of 20-90%, or whatever specific values the manufacturer says prolongs battery life, then they should last longer than the average ICE. Remember that most of these will be doing short trips like shopping or school runs, maybe a short commute, where the engine wear in a cold ICE engine is worst and the most gear changes occur - those short trips don’t wear down BEVs lie they do ICE. For some people, they are ideal. For some they will be a terrible option. Like I said, it should be an open choice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Irrespective of batteries, modern vehicles have only a 10 year design life, which is terrible that the government lets them get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 I remember when I was a kid a 5 or 6 year old car looked a right old rusty heap. If you give a 10 year old car a good wash and have new number plates on the car looks like new 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 26 minutes ago, monkie said: I remember when I was a kid a 5 or 6 year old car looked a right old rusty heap. If you give a 10 year old car a good wash and have new number plates on the car looks like new Yet still people scrap them and go get a new one.... No other country in Europe does this, in my experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjan Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 "No other country in Europe does this, in my experience " Yes they do... Many good used car got scrapped over the various projects these last decades. But converting a diesel / petrol powered vehicle to electric is much, much more than just fitting the new power pack. In many, many countries the paperwork / legal issues stop this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_CSK Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 I thonk the problem is caused by the wind turbines!! Because we have so many of them globally it is slowing down the planet by 0.00000012435 seconds every year and this is contributing to global warming. Becuase the planet is slowing the earth is heating more rapidly. If we do not stop the spread of the wind turbines now then the planet will in 1.1 billion years come to a full stop and we will all be fried. We need to start protesting about this now. I'll get my coat..... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy996 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 There is now a modding community for the oldest Nisan Leafs and Renault Zoes! There are independents who will rebalance, repair and refit failed batteries or change motors. There is even a modding community around Teslas, notwithstanding that Tesla has been an absolute sod with data, spares and connectivity. (If you repair a written-off Tesla, it is quite likely that Tesla will "brick" it or at least, ban it from the Supercharger network). At present no manufacturer has to hold spares once a vehicle has been out of production 10 years; many sell off spares to aftermarket dealers who have no long term commitment to the model, so even a well-loved vehicle can be impossible to keep on the road. In the UK we are spoilt by having so many elderly vehicle ranges with remanufactured panels and trim, (Mini, Minor, Spridget, MGB, MGBGT, Escort Mk1/2, many Jaguars but mainly the E type, Jensen Interceptor, LR Series and old Defender, etc). If you are into Japanese metal, there is minimal support from the manufacturer or aftermarket, although they are now starting to explore the heritage market with the MX5 NA, (Mk1), Impreza and Skyline. The US is really strange, with massive backup for some long obsolete models and absolute nothing for others, (compare a classic Mustang to a Saturn or a US built Toyota). I'm hoping that the "Right to Repair" will help the long-term support of older vehicles and I am really praying that Ineos really do go down the open source route for the Grenadier. The 2B Prototype tour suggested an easy-access parts system and easily available manuals, which would make long term operation so much easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Simon_CSK said: I thonk the problem is caused by the wind turbines!! Because we have so many of them globally it is slowing down the planet by 0.00000012435 seconds every year and this is contributing to global warming. Becuase the planet is slowing the earth is heating more rapidly. If we do not stop the spread of the wind turbines now then the planet will in 1.1 billion years come to a full stop and we will all be fried. We need to start protesting about this now. I'll get my coat..... Saw a video of one chap that really thought that wind turbines helped global warming by blowing the air around like big desk fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 hour ago, jeremy996 said: There is now a modding community for the oldest Nisan Leafs and Renault Zoes! There are independents who will rebalance, repair and refit failed batteries or change motors. There is even a modding community around Teslas, notwithstanding that Tesla has been an absolute sod with data, spares and connectivity. (If you repair a written-off Tesla, it is quite likely that Tesla will "brick" it or at least, ban it from the Supercharger network). At present no manufacturer has to hold spares once a vehicle has been out of production 10 years; many sell off spares to aftermarket dealers who have no long term commitment to the model, so even a well-loved vehicle can be impossible to keep on the road. In the UK we are spoilt by having so many elderly vehicle ranges with remanufactured panels and trim, (Mini, Minor, Spridget, MGB, MGBGT, Escort Mk1/2, many Jaguars but mainly the E type, Jensen Interceptor, LR Series and old Defender, etc). If you are into Japanese metal, there is minimal support from the manufacturer or aftermarket, although they are now starting to explore the heritage market with the MX5 NA, (Mk1), Impreza and Skyline. The US is really strange, with massive backup for some long obsolete models and absolute nothing for others, (compare a classic Mustang to a Saturn or a US built Toyota). I'm hoping that the "Right to Repair" will help the long-term support of older vehicles and I am really praying that Ineos really do go down the open source route for the Grenadier. The 2B Prototype tour suggested an easy-access parts system and easily available manuals, which would make long term operation so much easier. There is someone on YouTube worth checking out with a channel called Superfast Matt. I think he used to work for Tesla. Anyway he has got parts from a Tesla (battery, electronics and the rear subframe with the motors) and put it in to an old Jaguar. It's an interesting thing to watch. I found his channel when doing some searching for information when I was doing my rewire project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_CSK Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 7 hours ago, monkie said: There is someone on YouTube worth checking out with a channel called Superfast Matt. I think he used to work for Tesla. Anyway he has got parts from a Tesla (battery, electronics and the rear subframe with the motors) and put it in to an old Jaguar. It's an interesting thing to watch. I found his channel when doing some searching for information when I was doing my rewire project. I have looked into electrifying a Discovery 3/4 and calculated that the space taken up by the gearbox and transfer box would allow a Tesla model "S" engine and diff installed in the same space. There is then space unter the bonned and floor for a considerable amount of battery space. The Tesal engine in question is equivalent to 500BHP. As the Range Rover Sport is the same chassis and I have two am thinking of playing around with them and seeing what I can come up with. Am looking to extend the chassis and add another axle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 23 minutes ago, Simon_CSK said: I have looked into electrifying a Discovery 3/4 and calculated that the space taken up by the gearbox and transfer box would allow a Tesla model "S" engine and diff installed in the same space. There is then space unter the bonned and floor for a considerable amount of battery space. The Tesal engine in question is equivalent to 500BHP. As the Range Rover Sport is the same chassis and I have two am thinking of playing around with them and seeing what I can come up with. Am looking to extend the chassis and add another axle. The same guy I mentioned on youtube also does a video on how you would charge an EV made from Tesla parts here. At home, no problem but out and about you wouldn't be able to use the Tesla supercharging network as the car does some kind of electronic handshake with the Tesla charging point before it allows the charging to commence. Even if you found away to figure this bit out you could get yourself in trouble for using a Tesla charging point when you aren't supposed to in your homemade EV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Sounds like Tesla will become the Apple of of the EV world. Bits that arent compatible with anything else and closed operating systems etc. If its ever going to work with EVs they ought to start with common platforms from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 On that, tesla chargers are due to be opened up in the coming years, to other users. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 As I understand it, I think it's the super fast charging that is restricted due to safety. They don't want the adverse publicity of an EV on fire at one of their chargers because some DIYers have mangled a battery up to cram into an old vehicle. Fair enough I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missingsid Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 On 8/28/2021 at 11:25 AM, Bowie69 said: Yet still people scrap them and go get a new one.... No other country in Europe does this, in my experience Yet the EU pushed for all 15 years or over cars must be scrapped end of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 hours ago, missingsid said: Yet the EU pushed for all 15 years or over cars must be scrapped end of. Indeed, the EU appears to have a very strong desire to protect its motor industry at any cost, including environmental. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escape Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 On 8/26/2021 at 9:17 PM, monkie said: I totally agree with @Chicken Drumstick with regards to even the most efficient EV will be making some sort of emissions. It winds me up if they have a zero emission badge on them (I think it's the leaf that does?). I think that it is good if the media coverage (exaggerated or not) makes people consider the impact their actions have a little more but badges like zero emission make them think its fine when it isn't as fine as they are lead to believe. With the current production mix for electricity the zero emission badge is a plain lie. It's only zero tailpipe emissions, and while that may be a good step forward in crowded cities, it's certainly not the end of all problems. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkie Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 5 hours ago, Escape said: With the current production mix for electricity the zero emission badge is a plain lie. It's only zero tailpipe emissions, and while that may be a good step forward in crowded cities, it's certainly not the end of all problems. Yes, I think they should be made to use the badge "zero emissions - at point of use" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cackshifter Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I'm looking forward to Britpart doing Tesla parts. The unstoppable force meets the immovable object... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffR Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) On 8/30/2021 at 4:47 PM, cackshifter said: I'm looking forward to Britpart doing Tesla parts. The unstoppable force meets the immovable object... They'd probably badge engineer poundshop AA's and put em in a fancy box made of self destructing plastic Edited September 1, 2021 by JeffR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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