Snagger Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Hi folks. Having experienced the rusty, scabby woes of a Double-S (supposedly) stainless exhaust a couple of decades ago, I’m looking for recommendations for a manufacturer of a decent exhaust for my RRC, one that won’t look like a barnacled mess within a few years. If anyone has had positive experiences, please say with whom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzar Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 I think a custom fabricated exhaust would be the best option. Nothing sold in a comic is going to be top notch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Agreed, off the shelf stuff is horrid, as I am sure @ThreePointFive will corroborate. If you want a REALLY nice one, try a motorsport specialist with decades of experience, they will be able to make what you want. Longlife can be good, but varies by garage in my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Sparkes Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Checking basic details before completing this reply, I see JP Exhausts have relocated from Macclesfield to Congleton, this move postdates my business with them, but I'm still happy to recommend them. The major purchase (one of three) was a complete, and slightly customised, system for a 1995 38A diesel engined Range Rover. This wasn't a stock design for them, so they required the vehicle for the day. Times were different then, I was happy to occupy the waiting time with for a long walk along the canal. The design was neat, with no stressed hanger positioning to cause premature failures of the rubber rings used. There were no failures of any sort. I later understood they made the 'factory' exhausts for TVR. Regards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmmv Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 I have a Griffin exhaust on a Defender. No problem with it except it has slip joints rather than flanges, getting it off may be harder, though I haven't used any jointing paste, and there is no corrosion so it might be ok. And not stupidly loud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointFive Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, Bowie69 said: Agreed, off the shelf stuff is horrid, as I am sure @ThreePointFive will corroborate. If you want a REALLY nice one, try a motorsport specialist with decades of experience, they will be able to make what you want. Longlife can be good, but varies by garage in my experience. Well I had what Snagger's trying to avoid: Double S (Super Sh*t?). It's a shame as they're a local company but they really don't care about quality. The silencer is good but other than that, it looks like a mild steel exhaust and it did not fit correctly out the box. @FridgeFreezer was talking about a good experience on his. I've also heard/seen that Demand Engineering are good, they used to be on one of the LR forums just posting like normal people before it took off big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) I have a Demand exhaust for the M57. Apparently they're made in Heaven by God himself. The fit off the shelf was perfect, taking 30 minutes on my back on the drive, the welding second to none, the bends mandrel bent and the shininess exquisite. Quite simply a stainless steel orgasm ! HTH Mo Edited June 22 by Mo Murphy 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmmv Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 So quite good then? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Another thumbs down for double SS - really poor quality and expensive for what you get. I'd vote get custom made - my 200tdi 90 I got done by Powerflow down in Southampton - its a thing of beauty - its bells and whistles V clamp connections 2,5" with all the standard size boxes on with a final 3" end piece and its fully TIG welded, it looks so pretty and it cost about £800. I just had the exhaust re-built on the D2 at Stainless Steel creations up here in Falkirk, 2.5" with V clamp connections with sports CAT and big standard boxes cost £1100. I'm not planning on changing either of the exhausts out again. The one exception to the above is that I installed a kit from Alive tuning for a Td5 90, and it went on perfectly and I was pretty impressed with the quality, I cant remember who they use. (I think it might have been Demand too....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 My 110 has a Demand Engineering Exhaust on it, nothing bad to say about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonimouse Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Demand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted June 24 Author Share Posted June 24 Thanks guys, recommendation passed on to the restoration company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 +1 for the V-band clamps, I saw them on Daan's exhaust and found some cheapies on eBay, they are a bit of a faff to get lined up laying on your back but they do make dropping a section out & refitting it MUCH easier. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 I can also highly recommend J P Exhausts https://www.jpexhausts.co.uk/ they will make whatever you require. The downside is you need to take the vehicle to them, they make it on the vehicle or will copy whatever is already there. Also worth noting they come with a lifetime guarantee so they might not be the cheapest but when I last visited there was a gentleman there who had driven all the way from Yorkshire. He had an old Mercedes saloon that the exhaust had been on for 5 years and a weld had cracked on one of the mountings (Not even failed completely, although I guess it might if it had been left), they not only sorted it but added some additional strength so it wouldn't happen again in the future. They took the time to show him what had been done and made sure he was happy before he left. I personally thought that was pretty good service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 I have a Double S system on my 110 200tdi, had to replace the rear box once as the weld from front face to pipe gave up & I replaced the centre box with a straight through pipe about 10 years ago, otherwise for my needs it's been fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonimouse Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I have a Double S tail pipe section on my Disco, with a really nice Phoenix resonator delete section. The Double SS section has lasted amazingly well as it's the thinnest stainless I have eve come across. But' bends reduce the flow from a generous 2.5" to a mean 2.25" which I find annoying, yet not annoying enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted June 25 Author Share Posted June 25 I won’t buy Double-S again after seeing how badly my previous one deteriorated. It remained functional, but was scabby as a Kings Cross hooker. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonimouse Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Sadly my local builder of fine exhausts has retired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Another vote for Demand here. Not used them myself, but had a poke around their stands at show…. the quality of their bends and welds speak for themselves, it’s beautiful work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 My recommendation is do it yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLM Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 2 hours ago, Daan said: My recommendation is do it yourself. That's my thinking. I'd only need to build 2x stainless exhausts and it'd more or less cover the cost of getting myself a TIG rig. Now, which truck needs a new exhaust... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted August 8 Author Share Posted August 8 Well, it transpires that Demand Engineering only do Defender exhausts. I can get the down pipe from them as that is common to all three models with the 300Tdi, but only Double-S seem to make off-the-peg center and tail pipes, and only Famous Four seem to sell that specific product (no other Double-S vendors have that system on their sites). Coincidentally, Double-S don’t make the down pipe, so I’d have need to go elsewhere for that, quality concerns aside. I have asked JP Exhausts, who I read supply RPI, for an estimate of duplicating ESR2380 in 304 steel, but since their work is all custom, I suspect it’ll make my eyes water. The restorers really want to get the exhaust on so they can start the engine up, so options are running out. Sadly for me, fabricating it myself is out - my welding experience is short and limited to stick welding - I have never even tried MIG, let alone TIG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 28 minutes ago, Snagger said: their work is all custom, I suspect it’ll make my eyes water. A full manifold back system for my '91 Audi with two boxes in the same bore as an RRC V8 system was <£800 -to me that was quite good value. That said, I have TIG now, and I'd be tempted to do my own at some point for LGT, mostly to get the downpipes above the bottom of the chassis rails as they keep getting thwacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted August 8 Author Share Posted August 8 The Double-S center and rear sections, each with a muffler, is £470 from Famous Four. The flexible down pipe, also Double-S in stainless is £319 inclusive from LR Direct or £360 from Craddock, no doubt after four months of lying about stock. Those seem to be the only suppliers of the respective sections. Sadly, the Demand stainless down pipe is the solid version for Defenders, which would be noisier on the RR than the flexible one. Galling, but there seems to be no reasonable option without learning to weld, and I have neither the time nor resources for that at present. The alternative is a mild steel system at half the price. The Double -S system won’t stay pretty, but it should stay serviceable much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 There are lots of custom exhaust shops about..... just need to google. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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