Hybrid_From_Hell Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Anyone got any recomendations, prices seem to be all over the hop ! ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwakers Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 ive used a clarke one. works ok but i wouldnt pay money for one. theyre not particularly good at any thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 What are your plans for it? They are damn noisy and very aggressive, mine will leave pock marks all over the good metal once the rust, weld slag, paint or whatever you are removing is gone. I have an atlas copco one I picked up used at some sale or other. Seems to work well but doesn't get used much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallfry Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Makes a racket too. I would not use one on anything except series roadsprings or a battleship. You are welcome to borrow mine to see how you get on before you decide not to buy one ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW8IZR Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 When I got mine it was one of those 'I gotta have one of them' purchases - once it was home it soon became apparent that it was of limited use. Ymmv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Hmmmm. By coincidence I was looking at these last night as well. I'm changing the air springs on the discovery and getting in the nooks and crannies to clear out the rusty bits is difficult and I wondered if one of these would be good for that job. Not the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW8IZR Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 A good friend of mine who looks after busses uses one for chassis work, but the metal is a lot thicker and he has apprentices to use them.. so it may be just me. The air or electric finger file gets more use here for such tasks.. but as I said you may have more luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagmire Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I've seen them used to clean up post boxes before they get repainted. Maybe a bit harsh for most LR stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I used mine to clean up the standard 110 tank cradle because I stupidly hadn't bought another when I was replacing the tank .... it ended up a lot lighter and I ended up a bit less popular with the neighbours. Did a good job removing the rust scale though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I'd echo what the others have said - I've used one and found it to be not particularly good at anything Land Rover wise, seems more suited to oil rigs or truck chassis, where you have a lot of heavy scale to get off of big heavy lumps of metal. Even for diff castings (just a guess here Nige ) I'm not sure I'd chose a needle scaler over a grinder + wire brush or a shotblasting cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Not sure there is much use for them on a LR (although someone mentioned battleship, which yours is made from ). I've used them on railway carriage chassis and they're good for that but are rather brutal and firkin noisy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Sparkes Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I'm not voting one way or the other, as I've no direct experience, but there has been a recent thread on the Series 2 Club forum on this topic, which I reference just so HfH can gather some more LR related views. There is some inconsequential stuff about a group buy and hire after post ten, but don't give up, there seem some valid points also made after that. Value seems to 'depend on what you want to do with it', whether the noise is acceptable. HTH (You don't have to be a Club member to read the Forum). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickwilliams Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I used one extensively for my rebuild - worked extremely well for descaling axle cases and chassis etc. For best results, follow with a twist knot wire brush, although the needle scaler can get to lots of places you can't get a wire brush to. IME, it's a much better tool than a grinder for de-rusting since it only removes the rust, whereas a grinder will take off useful metal as well. However, you do need proper PPE - gloves, ear defenders and an air fed mask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondjeremy Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I 've got one - and nickwilliams sums it up very well. Really handy for getting into tight corners and around nuts etc - and if it knocks a hole in the chassis - it needed welding anyway! Also digs off old underseal/waxoyl without clogging or sending everything into orbit. (It loosens the syuff which can be easily scraped off.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie64 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 dry ice blasters are the way forward, no mess and great for working on hot days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 We had one on the farm, great bit of kit for old scaly rust on farm machinery we bought cheap to do up and sell on for a few extra pound, but I tell ya, after a day or 5 on the end of one you might not enjoy using it so much!!! I think they have a place in a rebuild but limmited use for it beyond chassis and axle refurbs puts me off buying one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studmuffin Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Saint Lidl have one on offer from 18th Sept for £17.99 No idea how good it is but worth a poke???? Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW8IZR Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Those da sanders are good at 25 quid, I'll be buying a couple of those - I had two last time and they were excellent value and worked well, I lost them to her brother who is still using them daily a year on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zim Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I'd echo what the others have said - I've used one and found it to be not particularly good at anything Land Rover wise, seems more suited to oil rigs or truck chassis, where you have a lot of heavy scale to get off of big heavy lumps of metal. Even for diff castings (just a guess here Nige ) I'm not sure I'd chose a needle scaler over a grinder + wire brush or a shotblasting cabinet. We use them a lot offshore..and to be honest - they're the work of the devil ! Work damn well, but your hands hurt after use. We currently have a UHP blasting unit on the rig, it's very good. Imagine a sandblaster, but using water instead of beads. A lot less mess to clean up and don't have to sheet everywhere off. (this is on an industrial scale where you're doing entire decks etc) G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertspark Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 What about using phosphoric acid or tannic? (warning phosphoric acid not good with zinc / galv!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_converter to neutralize the acid use baking soda (soda bicarb) + water. Note the phosphoric acid is good with aluminium + chemical anodizing the surface to improve the corrosion resistance (don't use it on colored anodizing though). ... good for transfer case + gearbox covers etc. phosphoric acid (stuff in coca-cola [+carbolic]) & tannic is used in many rust remover chemicals available what are you hoping to do with a needle scaler? not used one, but always thought they were a bit powerful at knocking the rust off and putting holes in things (axle tubes / diff covers etc). Mind you I put a few holes in a diff cover with a sand blaster too getting the rust off c'est la vie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingy Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I see another A+E trip looming..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I see another A+E trip looming..... It'll no doubt be with red finger .... not the more usual white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 A de-scaled scalp ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted October 3, 2014 Author Share Posted October 3, 2014 Close, but no cigar Did manage (Even with saftety gear on me) to get a Fibreglass resin Burn on the inside of me leg while doing the workshop roof, christ that resin goes hot when it goes off ! Ow ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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