Mo Murphy Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 It all looks quite vulnerable to a gallon of petrol and a lit match 😬 Mo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Anderzander said: That 90 was quite heavily modified - lots of travel front and back, and either running the XS traction control Set up or lockers I would think ? Absolutely. Not sure if actual lockers or an ATB together with traction control, but no way those are stock diffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 2 hours ago, elbekko said: Absolutely. Not sure if actual lockers or an ATB together with traction control, but no way those are stock diffs. Does that not just give it the same toys as the new defender then and put them on an equal footing where the older modified vehicle still made it look easy compared to the new one with similar gear (i think i read the new one had a rear locker and obviously traction control?) I would have liked to see the 110 earlier in the video attempt the same bit for a better comparison of older standard (assuming it was) to new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 hour ago, reb78 said: Does that not just give it the same toys as the new defender then and put them on an equal footing where the older modified vehicle still made it look easy compared to the new one with similar gear (i think i read the new one had a rear locker and obviously traction control?) I would have liked to see the 110 earlier in the video attempt the same bit for a better comparison of older standard (assuming it was) to new. I think it would be much more fair to compare stock to stock. And stock that 90 would've needed a hell of a driver and/or a hell of a run up to make that hill And the new one that was featured didn't look like it had the rear locker. Others in the group probably did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naks Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Doug got his hands on one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naks Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Comparison with the D4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanuki Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 The 'rock-crawling' stuff is rather far-removed from anything I'd be likely to do in practice. I'd be interested in seeing some videos of it doing the "Moose Test" swerve [we don't have Mooses? Meece? round here but there are quite a few Roe/Fallow Deer who wander around the roads at night and not far away we have free-range Wild Boar too, so plenty of things to need a swerve. We don't swerve for Muntjac]. Some videos of it towing a loaded twin-axle trailer would be nice to see as well. Particularly an uphill start on gravel/shingle while towing a heavy trailer. Doing this in my Defender, it just burrowed all four driven wheels into the gravel then sat there looking silly. I suspect an automatic would have done better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil110 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2021-ineos-grenadier-first-prototype-caught-testing-disguise Edited June 9, 2020 by western Copied to the Ineos thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 hour ago, neil110 said: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2021-ineos-grenadier-first-prototype-caught-testing-disguise We have another thread for that 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I've copied to the other thread, see my 'edited' bit Edited 1 hour ago by westernCopied to the Ineos thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Naks said: Comparison with the D4 I found this video fascinating. Two such remarkably similar cars! (Well, apart from the actual chassis but they end up being close to the same size and shape, suspension etc.). If anything, the D4 is more "Defender" than the new Defender, in that it is more of a utility vehicle and the Defender more of station wagon. The clearance at the front in that picture just emphasises the idea. I know which one would make the better camper or cargo hauler... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbeaumont Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Naks said: Comparison with the D4 Is it just the angle that's shot from, or is the new Defender quite significantly wider than the Discovery 4? That's getting into Land Cruiser "oops, doesn't fit through the gate" territory if it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 I think it’s very wide. The picture of it next to a defender made me notice. 1791mm vs 2,008mm according to google Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Well, with modern crash safety and room for your arm and knee, that's just how it is these days. Unless you make it a single seater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiddler Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 It has also been styled to give it "presence" for those who are too important to give way to others. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 8 hours ago, Anderzander said: I think it’s very wide. The picture of it next to a defender made me notice. 1791mm vs 2,008mm according to google The more I see it. The less I think it looks anything like the old one. I think this is a big fail. Its a completely different car! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, reb78 said: The more I see it. The less I think it looks anything like the old one. I think this is a big fail. Its a completely different car! It's certainly got more in common with the D4 pictured above! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzar Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 This debate has certainly raised my level of interest in the D3/4. I suspect it's probably on the limits of what a DIY hobby mechanic can cope with, but as that's also true of the current spouse friendly motor, that's no real difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 On 6/9/2020 at 8:34 AM, Anderzander said: That 90 was quite heavily modified - lots of travel front and back, and either running the XS traction control Set up or lockers I would think ? Lockers maybe, although TCS has been standard on 90's since 1998! The suspension didn't look all the great IMO, a bit wobbly. It probably had more travel, but I'm not sure it was really an improvement over stock, just different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Drumstick Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 3 hours ago, reb78 said: The more I see it. The less I think it looks anything like the old one. I think this is a big fail. Its a completely different car! This is one of the first things I said when I saw it. I'm amazed that JLR didn't want to make it look more like a "Defender", regardless of where it is pitched as a model. It really shares no design language with the "Land Rover --- 1948 thru 2016" at all. Which is just super odd IMO. Look at a Wrangler/Jimny/G-Wagen and regardless of their design, visually they all hark back to their past variants, style and design language. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Badger110 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 I had one pass me by on the M6 the other week, i never gave it a second glance until the wife said ' that's a different looking car ' and pointed it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderzander Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 7 hours ago, elbekko said: Well, with modern crash safety and room for your arm and knee, that's just how it is these days. Unless you make it a single seater. Everything less than 2m is a single seater ? 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanuki Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 39 minutes ago, Anderzander said: Everything less than 2m is a single seater ? 😊 Pretty much so, yes - if ia SUV/truck wants to get anything above a 'marginal' 3* classification in the driver/passenger-safety rating in the Euro-NCAP tests. You need the space for the door-intrusion bars, steering-wheel/passenger-fascia/screen-pillar/B-post and footwell-space airbags, along with seatbelt pre-tensioners. [NCAP tests let small/light cars get away with less protection - which is deeply strange to me!] Personally, I'm all in favour of lots of structural-safety-stuff in cars, having seen what happens when someone barrel-rolls a Defender down a Welsh hillside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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