discomikey Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 if you get hit by a car, round or square its gona hurt the same. that prototypes not even got beam axles that is in my opinion one of the main parts of a proper land rover. BEAM AXLES AND SQUARENESS. i would probably quite like a redesigned look, as long as it was more or less the same(ish). not the same shape full stop, but it should bear a resemblence, ie the shoulder curve down the side, and the flatish front end. round lights and indicators. and it should also be able to come in a variety of versions, like the truck cab, hard top, lwb swb etc. otherwise they have lost their way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightpot Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 I'm quite happy for a new design to come out - keeps things interesting and there are certainly areas for improvement with Defenders. The age of the current shape does highlight one thing though - it works. The company can't rely on military orders, but the military are still buying them for the same reason companies like BT, electricity & gas companies, recovery, police do - it's a practical shape for lugging stuff and bolting bits to and you can get to the whirly bits and fix them easily due to the height and clearance. would be nice if they try to retain some of this into the new design - this concept car doesn't seem to be that 'practical' from the outside - can you imagine it parked under a pylon with a bunch of rigging equipment in the back? (if thats what pylon fixer uppers use ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulN Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Yuk! - Just blown it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landmannnn Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 and the Freebie was a new model entirely, not a replacement of the Defender! Freelander is on the Mondeo/Jag X type platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tychoS Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 I heard a rumor, it will be called "Land Rover Pretender" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 When the time comes, it will look close enough to the existing Just like the Jeep, the mini, the beetle and the fiat 500. They know how much of a success the above have been and they know how much of a success they want the new Defender to be. They won't stray too far Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stretch121 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 that thing even for a concept is disgusting, im looking at getting a 110 in a few years and i cn honestly say hand on heart it aint gonna be one of them things, its going to be a proper Land Rover the way god / satan lol intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuko Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 When the time comes, it will look close enough to the existing Just like the Jeep, the mini, the beetle and the fiat 500. They know how much of a success the above have been and they know how much of a success they want the new Defender to be. They won't stray too far Mo I agree, Jeep even kept the solid axles and now offer lockers front and rear. There's still hope for Land Rover. Todd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKEYCOPPER Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 its what would happen if a disco 3 and a freelander had it orf !!! Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disty Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Land Rover believes its models are equally capable offroad, in spite of their different looks Maybe true with a stock vehicle, but even then I find it hard to believe. They seem to have forgotten that with a few modifications, their older vehicles soon surpass what the new ones can do! Not enjoying the new look! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Maybe true with a stock vehicle, but even then I find it hard to believe. They seem to have forgotten that with a few modifications, their older vehicles soon surpass what the new ones can do! But with a few modifications the new ones would then surpass the old ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 If Land Rover can do what Jeep have done, they will be on to a winner. One side of me can't wait to see what they finally come out with, the other side doesn't want to see what abomination they come up with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diablo Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Freelander is on the Mondeo/Jag X type platform. I meant for Land Rover. When the time comes, it will look close enough to the existing Just like the Jeep, the mini, the beetle and the fiat 500. They know how much of a success the above have been and they know how much of a success they want the new Defender to be. They won't stray too far Mo So why bring out a concept that looks nothing like it? Can't just be to test the water surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo_C Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Hi My two pence worth, They will never release anything this early that hasn’t already been superseded. I suspect that the body concept is right SWB 2dr with those proportions however I suspect that the nose, front wings mirrors lights etc are all old concepts. I think that the durable arches and sills are here to stay and I kind a like the door handle. The glass panel behind the window is probably a keeper as it allows the door and hence the wheelbase to be short but it will allow you to see over your shoulder and turn right more easily. There are a lot of defender styling cues in there though, the one piece wings and narrow bonnet, the roof panel has the old school reinforcing ribs from the old series land rovers. The overhangs are very short so it should still be pretty good off road. The brakes are actually quite small so it will be light and you can put smaller wheel with mud plugging tyres on. I am not mad keen on the lights, the grill and nose are a bit to freelander but they will need space for crash and it will need better aero for fuel consumption, so I suspect that the square defender face will be very much rounded of like this. Recovery points very improbable to far outboard to find any structure without considering crash implications. Interesting though very interesting considering the architectural changes they have got to make to pass modern crash (inc pedestrian impact) I am quite positive about the shape. I suspect that this might be very similar to the car they will show at Frankfurt in a week or so. Just my thoughts, I am very pleased that they are going ahead with the project and I wish then all the best, this is the most difficult new car they have ever had to do in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 This thread is making me want to get a Jeep. (i'll go wash my mouth out now ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 I wonder if the defender as we know it could live on like the Lotus 7/Caterham does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 if you get hit by a car, round or square its gona hurt the same. Apparently not, or so MIRA would tell us. Of course, what would they know compared to a bloke on an internet forum? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtod Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 I wonder if the defender as we know it could live on like the Lotus 7/Caterham does? I'm damn sure mine will live on...It's getting a galv chassis in a couple of weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treebloke Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 So why bring out a concept that looks nothing like it? Can't just be to test the water surely? Quite right, surely the concept vehicle has been about for 60 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruuman Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 it's not just the LR enthusiasts that hate it, doesn't seem to be to popular with anyone http://forums.finalgear.com/automotive-news/land-rover-defender-2015-a-50838/ I think it's horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gruntus Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 its what would happen if a disco 3 and a freelander had it orf !!! Paul I think they were also involved in an an orgy with a Mini and a Skoda yeti! G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angusb Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Looks like something expensive, complicated and easily broken/bent/dented to me, I'll stick with my 25 year old banger thanks. There's no shortage of people making 3rd party bits for it so I won't be getting rid any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKEYCOPPER Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Lets hope as its a "concept" it wont be anything like it !!! some are "growers", bit like p38, blooming awfull when it 1st came out but rather nice now, the Evouqe is the same for me, not keen but give it a year or so and i mite like it but with the defender being able to trace its parentage back to series 1 the "new" defender aint gonna do it for me, then again i am a Luddite !!! Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dailysleaze Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 As it's a concept, it's probably been designed from the initial brief that the only limits are to fill the requirements that the Defender meets, in whatever way is thought up without prior preconception. It's the result of blue sky ideas. The next 4 years they will be tweaking this to also bear resemblance to retain the marque, as image also denotes a lot of brand values. With the Discovery 3 they threw away the rule book and designed inside-out rather than outside-in, which has seen a great success. They are probably trying to apply this same philosophy to the Defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landy-Novice Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 i like the design quite alot but i dont feel this should be a defender!!! we only have a 13days to wait, then all will be revealed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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